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JetDoc 08-13-2021 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3278620)
I have asked several female pilots that I have flown with why there are so many women on the back side of the door, and so few on the front. They have all said that it isn’t the lifestyle, but the job itself. Most guys are gear heads and see operating machinery as attractive, where the majority of women typically don’t view it the same way. They are just as capable, it’s just that most aren’t interested. That is at least how it was explained to me.

I recently asked my sister, a 30 year United FA the same and her answer was similar. She simply is not interested in the same things her airline pilot brother is. No interest in how airplanes work, how to fly them, period. She is not wired that way. As far as the lifestyle, she made several interesting points. As a pilot you are locked into one airframe with much less scheduling flexibility. As a flight attendant you have a pool of 20,000 plus who are qualified on all airframes, making trip trading, swapping, dropping much, much easier. She raised 2 daughters and missed very few of their important milestones growing up because of work. Small sample size I know but if you extrapolate it provides a bit of perspective.

Guppydriver95 08-13-2021 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by JetDoc (Post 3278973)
I recently asked my sister, a 30 year United FA the same and her answer was similar. She simply is not interested in the same things her airline pilot brother is. No interest in how airplanes work, how to fly them, period. She is not wired that way. As far as the lifestyle, she made several interesting points. As a pilot you are locked into one airframe with much less scheduling flexibility. As a flight attendant you have a pool of 20,000 plus who are qualified on all airframes, making trip trading, swapping, dropping much, much easier. She raised 2 daughters and missed very few of their important milestones growing up because of work. Small sample size I know but if you extrapolate it provides a bit of perspective.

That’s using the word “qualified” very loosely. But, your point is taken.

Hedley 08-13-2021 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by JetDoc (Post 3278973)
I recently asked my sister, a 30 year United FA the same and her answer was similar. She simply is not interested in the same things her airline pilot brother is. No interest in how airplanes work, how to fly them, period. She is not wired that way. As far as the lifestyle, she made several interesting points. As a pilot you are locked into one airframe with much less scheduling flexibility. As a flight attendant you have a pool of 20,000 plus who are qualified on all airframes, making trip trading, swapping, dropping much, much easier. She raised 2 daughters and missed very few of their important milestones growing up because of work. Small sample size I know but if you extrapolate it provides a bit of perspective.

For some reason it is taboo to admit that males and females are generally wired differently. Women can be excellent pilots, but most don’t want to be. Men can be excellent elementary school teachers, but most don’t want to be. I wonder which job I’d get fired from faster, dealing with rude passengers as a FA or a room full of someone else’s kids.

John Carr 08-13-2021 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 3278723)


Originally Posted by Explizer (Post 3278787)
That's a good interview. It was worth the time to watch.

Pretty good.

About 22:20 I think is when she completely lost it.

fishforfun 08-13-2021 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 3279039)
Pretty good.

About 22:20 I think is when she completely lost it.

Was thinking the exact thing. 23:00 she was actually speechless and stunned. It was so obvious she was a typical journalist only interested in surface level info. As soon as he took it one step deeper it destroyed her “gotcha” moment.

at6d 08-13-2021 10:37 PM

I’m a Peterson fan for disclosure. If you liked that link, you will like a lot more that’s out there.

TransWorld 08-14-2021 10:50 AM

Spot on. A lot of journalist on the left side (but I repeat myself for 95% of them) have a predetermined outcome they want to report. They just need some talking heads that will support and say what they want to write and report. When someone comes with intellect and facts, they either deny it, cut them off, change the subject, or get flustered.

FlewNavy 08-20-2021 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Furloughedboi (Post 3278605)
Diversity is beneficial to some careers, not ours. Why people are so obsessed with skin color or gender is beyond me

There is a multi-billion dollar industry that doesn’t want this issue to go away. Classic example of “the doctor that doesn’t want the patient to get better”…

Hedley 08-20-2021 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by FlewNavy (Post 3282258)
There is a multi-billion dollar industry that doesn’t want this issue to go away. Classic example of “the doctor that doesn’t want the patient to get better”…

“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”


― Booker T. Washington

Some things never change. Racism is always bad…..unless used to your advantage.

ClearPr0p 10-07-2021 07:24 AM

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How are airlines getting away with this? How is any company in any industry? Hasn't it been illegal for longer than most of us have been alive to make hiring decisions based on race and gender? (Yet this is exactly what they are doing in plain sight!). I'm not aware of any barriers that prevent anyone from any background (aside from MONEY) from training to be a pilot. People can be born poor in any race or as any gender.

Skill, training record, education, personality, adaptability, ability to work fast and under pressure are important factors to be considered for this job. I don't even see how race or gender is even relevant to this job. As others have said, some people are science minded or gear heads, others aren't interested in stuff like that at all. No one is stopping anyone from pursuing this path. This mentality is a huge step backwards. Grouping people by race or gender is utterly foolish and unacceptable.


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