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YAKflyer 04-12-2021 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne (Post 3220640)
That was my initial thought when he called me last night. But after looking at the contract - $120,000 to work about 20 days a month and fly the fastest civilian jet in the world to some pretty cool places doesn't sound like a terrible alternative to sitting reserve at LGA and making $45,000. And it's certainly better than waiting on a call that might not come for another several months, IMO.

My gut says doing it for a year would be a good experience for him and may open up some opportunities down the road. But, I agree with you that there will probably be some really crummy aspects to that gig.

This seems simple to me....take the first one he is offered. After he is offered a regional job he can move along. With the Part 91 job he has the option of moving on along the Part 91 path if he decides he will really like that path better. In fact it will make him more marketable to Part 91 operators if after some period of time he decides he doesn't like 121.

Al Czervik 04-12-2021 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne (Post 3220640)
That was my initial thought when he called me last night. But after looking at the contract - $120,000 to work about 20 days a month and fly the fastest civilian jet in the world to some pretty cool places doesn't sound like a terrible alternative to sitting reserve at LGA and making $45,000. And it's certainly better than waiting on a call that might not come for another several months, IMO.

My gut says doing it for a year would be a good experience for him and may open up some opportunities down the road. But, I agree with you that there will probably be some really crummy aspects to that gig.

Skip the corporate gig. Been there. Fast is cool for about 100 hours. Do what ever gets you to the retirement job first.

ReadyRsv 04-12-2021 03:00 PM

Regional. The corp job may be cool, so is being an architect, neither are the fastest way to UAL.

opheims 04-13-2021 07:01 AM

Is there a commitment term for getting the type rating, i.e. 1-2 years locked in or they have to pay some of it back?
That might take a big bite out of the $120K salary gains if they decide to leave for a regional before the end of the term...

MOGuy 04-13-2021 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne (Post 3220615)
My college roommate is currently sitting at ~2000 hours as a CFII, and is waiting to hear from the couple of regionals he had CJOs from last year pre-Covid. He was just offered a position flying SIC (with a PIC type rating paid for) in a Citation X as a Part 91 operation with his current company - making around $120,000 total (CFI +Citation) and flying around 350-400 hours per year. He would continue in his role as CFI and be given some administrative duties to comprise the rest of his salary.

His long term career goal is to make it to United, and he's wondering if he needs to turn down this job and wait on the regionals to call, or if he'd set himself up better by taking the jet job. If taking the jet job, how long should he be there before attempting to move on?

Any thoughts or advice?


a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. Does your roommate have a class date with a regional? In my January class there were 2 straight corporate and at least 3 charter (NJ, XOJET). I myself came from XOJET as well although I had about 2000 regional 121 as well from way before. I would be on the side that the airlines have finally began to see they have been missing out on a vastly qualified pool of pilots from 91/135. I also know that in the two classes before me there were other XOJET pilots and I believe a Wheels up.

Take that for what it’s worth.

oldmako 04-13-2021 07:54 AM

If you want a seniority number at a decent major, go to a regional and start applying to majors the day you finish your initial check out. Fly your ass off and keep the resume flowing out. If you can get a job at a 121 non-sked that flies bigger planes, jump to that.

Seniority, seniority, seniority. Over a 30+ career, it makes a huge difference.

rickair7777 04-13-2021 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 3221072)
If you want a seniority number at a decent major, go to a regional and start applying to majors the day you finish your initial check out. Fly your ass off and keep the resume flowing out. If you can get a job at a 121 non-sked that flies bigger planes, jump to that.

Caveat... get some PIC at the regional before you jump to non-sked, or make damn sure you can upgrade QUICKLY after you jump. Getting stuck in a slow seniority system with no PIC could marginalize you for years.

MOGuy 04-13-2021 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by MOGuy (Post 3221058)
a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. Does your roommate have a class date with a regional? In my January class there were 2 straight corporate and at least 3 charter (NJ, XOJET). I myself came from XOJET as well although I had about 2000 regional 121 as well from way before. I would be on the side that the airlines have finally began to see they have been missing out on a vastly qualified pool of pilots from 91/135. I also know that in the two classes before me there were other XOJET pilots and I believe a Wheels up.

Take that for what it’s worth.

also they could take the job and bail if a regional called. Any idea on how long the contract is? A supermid size type rating like that has some value. Especially if they found themselves on the street from a regional one day. I’d have to find myself pretty confident a regional was going to hire me if I were going to turn down an offer like that.

Knobcrk1 04-13-2021 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne (Post 3220615)
My college roommate is currently sitting at ~2000 hours as a CFII, and is waiting to hear from the couple of regionals he had CJOs from last year pre-Covid. He was just offered a position flying SIC (with a PIC type rating paid for) in a Citation X as a Part 91 operation with his current company - making around $120,000 total (CFI +Citation) and flying around 350-400 hours per year. He would continue in his role as CFI and be given some administrative duties to comprise the rest of his salary.

His long term career goal is to make it to United, and he's wondering if he needs to turn down this job and wait on the regionals to call, or if he'd set himself up better by taking the jet job. If taking the jet job, how long should he be there before attempting to move on?

Any thoughts or advice?

Your “friend” would be crazy to turn down a 120k job. A gig like that is better than being at a regional any day. The reason you go to the regionals is because you have no other options or you know for sure you already have an in at United and just need the time. So if it doesn’t apply to you, please don’t turn down all that money and QOL to be sitting reserve in NY

Stan446 04-13-2021 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 3221079)
Your “friend” would be crazy to turn down a 120k job. A gig like that is better than being at a regional any day. The reason you go to the regionals is because you have no other options or you know for sure you already have an in at United and just need the time. So if it doesn’t apply to you, please don’t turn down all that money and QOL to be sitting reserve in NY

"Crazy"? How long is it going to take to get the turbine PIC at a corporate job vs a regional? Skywest was 2yrs from DOH to captain and then 1.5-2 yrs to get 1,000 PIC. That isn't going to happen that quick at a corporate job. And if there is no movement a person may take years at a corporation to see the left seat.


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