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idlethrust 06-10-2021 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3248226)
They’ve been beating that drum for a while. They already have their options for more rj’s. Personally I hope that Kirby wasn’t blowing smoke and we use these planes to retire the 145’s and 200’s over the next couple of years. That could significantly shrink UAX and increase hiring demands at UAL. I am also realistic and expect to be disappointed.

He better hurry up on the 200s.
I heard a lady almost had a heat stroke on one the other day while the plane was waiting to takeoff . They had to return to the gate and get medical out there. Probably a lawsuit coming??The ac on those things is just plain pitiful and sitting back there on the tarmac with 49 other people, in the hot summer? No thanks.

Lenticularis 06-10-2021 08:36 PM

Kirby has pushed scope talks before. I expect the aircraft order to coincide with our contract advancement as expected SNJ/Contract/Scope all in one heap. Mgt might believe they have that 58% yes vote through and through. I sense what’s bubbling under the order news is RJ’s too! Beware.

Hedley 06-11-2021 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3248348)
He better hurry up on the 200s.
I heard a lady almost had a heat stroke on one the other day while the plane was waiting to takeoff . They had to return to the gate and get medical out there. Probably a lawsuit coming??The ac on those things is just plain pitiful and sitting back there on the tarmac with 49 other people, in the hot summer? No thanks.

Deadheading to training this spring wasn’t much better while standing outside in the cold drizzle waiting on our green tag bags. I’m sure glad that I wasn’t in uniform. Several people mentioned that they regretted flying United and would be going back to Southwest. I can’t say that I blame them. I’m buying tickets on Delta this fall to take the family to go visit my parents rather than fly on CRJ’s. When employees shy away from the brand, we can’t expect customers to be loyal.

Hedley 06-11-2021 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by Lenticularis (Post 3248370)
Kirby has pushed scope talks before. I expect the aircraft order to coincide with our contract advancement as expected SNJ/Contract/Scope all in one heap. Mgt might believe they have that 58% yes vote through and through. I sense what’s bubbling under the order news is RJ’s too! Beware.

The pilot group is pretty unified on scope from what I’ve seen and any give on scope would kill any possible agreement. We even pushed for tightening scope on the pandemic LOA. People know that the single class 50 seat fleet is on borrowed time and that there is no need to concede anything for a fleet that is aging out anyway. Kirby already knows his options. So far it appears that the plan is to convert more 550’s, keep the existing number of 70/76 seaters, and upgauge with the current and potentially large upcoming max order. Hopefully the pendulum is swinging. Eliminating the 200 and 145 fleet would remove over 200 UAX aircraft and replace that lift with aircraft flown by United pilots.

Flydafe 06-11-2021 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3248421)
The pilot group is pretty unified on scope from what I’ve seen and any give on scope would kill any possible agreement. We even pushed for tightening scope on the pandemic LOA. People know that the single class 50 seat fleet is on borrowed time and that there is no need to concede anything for a fleet that is aging out anyway. Kirby already knows his options. So far it appears that the plan is to convert more 550’s, keep the existing number of 70/76 seaters, and upgauge with the current and potentially large upcoming max order. Hopefully the pendulum is swinging. Eliminating the 200 and 145 fleet would remove over 200 UAX aircraft and replace that lift with aircraft flown by United pilots.

I agree... the incoming Max orders will be the regional feed for most destinations going forward. I think United is going at Southwest and is seeking to gain a share of their feed. Not experienced enough to say this is the case but looking at their marketing campaign against southwest is interesting

Hedley 06-11-2021 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Flydafe (Post 3248537)
I agree... the incoming Max orders will be the regional feed for most destinations going forward. I think United is going at Southwest and is seeking to gain a share of their feed. Not experienced enough to say this is the case but looking at their marketing campaign against southwest is interesting

Probably more of a defensive move than anything. Southwest is expanding in DEN and sending full 737’s into markets that we only send rj’s to. They are also now in IAH. They are targeting us, not the other way around. If United’s answer to them is to keep sending 50 seat rj’s into the same markets, then we have already lost the fight.

idlethrust 06-11-2021 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3248417)
Deadheading to training this spring wasn’t much better while standing outside in the cold drizzle waiting on our green tag bags. I’m sure glad that I wasn’t in uniform. Several people mentioned that they regretted flying United and would be going back to Southwest. I can’t say that I blame them. I’m buying tickets on Delta this fall to take the family to go visit my parents rather than fly on CRJ’s. When employees shy away from the brand, we can’t expect customers to be loyal.

Yes United should be ashamed of the entire express operation at Dulles . It’s absolutely pathetic in every aspect .

McNugent 06-11-2021 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3248583)
Yes United should be ashamed of the entire express operation at Dulles . It’s absolutely pathetic in every aspect .

United should be embarrassed of Dulles in general. It’s pathetic in every aspect.

Explizer 06-11-2021 11:03 AM

Why doesn't UA want any MAX7s...seems like it would be a good fit...and the MAX10 sounds like it will be even worse than a slick -900.

KonaJoe 06-11-2021 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3248417)
Several people mentioned that they regretted flying United and would be going back to Southwest. I can’t say that I blame them. I’m buying tickets on Delta this fall to take the family to go visit my parents rather than fly on CRJ’s. When employees shy away from the brand, we can’t expect customers to be loyal.

Delta has the same RJ issues like "waiting outside in the drizzle." Just depends where you're going.

Also, "I'm never flying _____ airlines again" is one of the biggest lies in aviation.


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