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TransWorld 09-23-2021 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by JayAitch (Post 3299294)
My shoes generally protect my feet but I'm still not eager to walk around on a bunch of boards with nails sticking out of them.

Why I keep my tetanus vaccination current.

fadec 09-23-2021 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by JayAitch (Post 3299073)
They came to be free from persecution. The freedom of, and from religion.

Sadly the devout Covidians rule over us. Theirs is truly a religion, not based in science. The holy face garment has been scientifically proven to NOT STOP COVID yet the nation is speckled in mandates. There is no evidence that any of the restrictions worked, yet we're on our second wave of restrictions now.

What is religion if it isn't faith overriding reason? Isn't the mechanism by which wine becomes blood and bread becomes flesh the same as that which makes masks prevent covid?

​​​​​​It's time we start seeing this religion for what it is. I have no problem with good covid fearing folks. They're great people, mostly. But their ideology has no place in government.

Hedley 09-23-2021 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by fadec (Post 3299540)

What is religion if it isn't faith overriding reason?

That’s the part of religion and asking for an exemption that I’ll never understand. Making medical and major life decisions based on faith in a narrative completely void of hard evidence is difficult for me to grasp. I’m definitely not making fun of those who believe, it’s that I genuinely can’t comprehend faith without facts.

JayAitch 09-23-2021 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3299497)
Why I keep my tetanus vaccination current.

That was in response to someone saying if vaccines work why do I care if someone next to me isn't.

The tetanus booster is only 98%. So even wearing boots (really good protection) sometimes they get though. I've worked in machining and one did get through.

So, 98% on my feet isn't enough. I also want the floor as clear as possible. The unvaccinated people are the floor full of nails.

It's not a perfect metaphor because I can give the nail covered floor tetanus because my boots can be full of dirty nails. They aren't affecting me but I can still spread it around. So I want the floor protected as well.

It's off topic but the mandate is to give everyone the best level of protection GIVEN THE APPROVED MEDICATIONS.

If something else becomes approved they can roll that in as an option. Again, this thread is for religious exemption. Well, in this case no religious belief allows you the right to increase other peoples risk.

Flydafe 09-24-2021 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by JayAitch (Post 3299609)
That was in response to someone saying if vaccines work why do I care if someone next to me isn't.

The tetanus booster is only 98%. So even wearing boots (really good protection) sometimes they get though. I've worked in machining and one did get through.

So, 98% on my feet isn't enough. I also want the floor as clear as possible. The unvaccinated people are the floor full of nails.

It's not a perfect metaphor because I can give the nail covered floor tetanus because my boots can be full of dirty nails. They aren't affecting me but I can still spread it around. So I want the floor protected as well.

It's off topic but the mandate is to give everyone the best level of protection GIVEN THE APPROVED MEDICATIONS.

If something else becomes approved they can roll that in as an option. Again, this thread is for religious exemption. Well, in this case no religious belief allows you the right to increase other peoples risk.

It’s not the responsibility of the unvaccinated to protect the vaccinated...

That’s the vaccine’s job

YXnot 09-24-2021 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by JayAitch (Post 3299294)
My shoes generally protect my feet but I'm still not eager to walk around on a bunch of boards with nails sticking out of them.

So how do you plan on handling your DH legs? Do you wear a spacesuit in the terminal? Quarantine your mail. What about the offline jump seater right next to you?
What about the asymptomatic dude shedding virus all over the cockpit. How do you handle that? Get your booster(s)!,,

Aquaticus 09-24-2021 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by fadec (Post 3299540)
Sadly the devout Covidians rule over us. Theirs is truly a religion, not based in science. The holy face garment has been scientifically proven to NOT STOP COVID yet the nation is speckled in mandates. There is no evidence that any of the restrictions worked, yet we're on our second wave of restrictions now.

What is religion if it isn't faith overriding reason? Isn't the mechanism by which wine becomes blood and bread becomes flesh the same as that which makes masks prevent covid?

​​​​​​It's time we start seeing this religion for what it is. I have no problem with good covid fearing folks. They're great people, mostly. But their ideology has no place in government.

There are 20 studies backing masks reducing the spread of viruses to the 1 saying they don't. Masks work despite what your fox news or OAN or whatever nonsense "real news" site you subscribe to. If people are so easily swayed to pure nonsense, anti-science opinions then mandates will continue to look like the only way forward. We can keep explaining it but we can't make you comprehend it. We are dealing with multiple states that a large % of their population can't read at an 8th grade level who just so happen to be some of the least vaccinated states. Those same "news" networks are preying on them and spreading this same "masks don't work", the vaccine isn't 100%, hurry durr Biden is the devil... all while they are vaccinated and wearing masks.

JayAitch 09-24-2021 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by Flydafe (Post 3299653)
It’s not the responsibility of the unvaccinated to protect the vaccinated...

That’s the vaccine’s job

I was going to say, "Thankfully the company is also interested in protecting the health of it's employees." But now that you formatted it to be red text I have to admit I've got no good answer.

Flydafe 09-24-2021 07:06 AM

Do Companies Care About It’s Employees?
 
I think United was Virtue Signaling to try to get back in the Asian market. I doubt that United cares about it’s employees to that extent. Didn’t they take away people’s pensions once or twice with big promises that turned to dust?

United still allows unvaccinated passengers in their terminals and in their airplanes. If they were really concerned about controlling the spread and protecting their employees they would not allow unvaccinated passengers to travel with them. Of course they wouldn’t do that because it makes no economic sense hence they’d risk the lives of all customer facing employees to sell seats.

Lord knows what kind of vaccine injuries have occurred that have not been reported to the employees. 67,000 jabs.. someone has had adverse effects...hence the recent pilot bulletin about pilot incapacitation that came out mid September. Your union will tell you nothing because they sold you out. I wonder what back room deal was made to get the union’s approval? If the pilots said no there would be no mandate.

Whatever happened to that ramp guy in LA that sent out an email over the ramp staff portal saying that he’s in the hospital from the jab?.. hope he is okay. It’s going to be a short staffed winter when the flu reappears and goes on a date with covid.

Justaguy19 09-24-2021 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by Flydafe (Post 3299732)
I think United was Virtue Signaling to try to get back in the Asian market. I doubt that United cares about it’s employees to that extent. Didn’t they take away people’s pensions once or twice with big promises that turned to dust?

United still allows unvaccinated passengers in their terminals and in their airplanes. If they were really concerned about controlling the spread and protecting their employees they would not allow unvaccinated passengers to travel with them. Of course they wouldn’t do that because it makes no economic sense hence they’d risk the lives of all customer facing employees to sell seats.

Lord knows what kind of vaccine injuries have occurred that have not been reported to the employees. 67,000 jabs.. someone has had adverse effects...hence the recent pilot bulletin about pilot incapacitation that came out mid September. Your union will tell you nothing because they sold you out. I wonder what back room deal was made to get the union’s approval? If the pilots said no there would be no mandate.

Whatever happened to that ramp guy in LA that sent out an email over the ramp staff portal saying that he’s in the hospital from the jab?.. hope he is okay. It’s going to be a short staffed winter when the flu reappears and goes on a date with covid.

Speculation and straw man, typical. No one cares about your religious bull**** exemptions. Get the jab or get the **** out. We've been more than patient.


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