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DashTrash 02-07-2022 04:39 AM

New Merger…
 
Frontier and Spirit merge???

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/07/fron...Q1lgeOpvNMIXPU

WaterRooster 02-07-2022 05:21 AM

They are going to be a monster to deal with. Business and International need to come back soon

Guppydriver95 02-07-2022 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 3367581)

hopefully they learn from history and actually read ALPA merger policy before they submit integration proposals to an arbitration board, unlike what the CAL merger committee did to their pilots. Some guys still haven’t moved past it, and the merger was 12 years ago.

DashTrash 02-07-2022 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3367629)
hopefully they learn from history and actually read ALPA merger policy before they submit integration proposals to an arbitration board, unlike what CAL did to their pilots. Some guys still haven’t moved past it, and the merger was 12 years ago.

My belief is that if all pilots are equally pi$$ed, then it’s probably fair.

Finessed 02-07-2022 05:28 AM

Uhhh ohhhhhh….. that international travel isn’t coming back anytime soon….. look out.

Andy 02-07-2022 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by WaterRooster (Post 3367627)
They are going to be a monster to deal with. Business and International need to come back soon

I take it you've never been through a merger. Because if you had, you wouldn't say that.

KnightNight 02-07-2022 05:59 AM

Frontier has 1500 pilots….this isn’t ground shattering. They are fighting a war of attrition. Look at their pay rates, why would anyone stay there? Especially with what upgrade is dropping to at the legacies.

F15andMD11 02-07-2022 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by KnightNight (Post 3367690)
...why would anyone stay there?

Not meeting mainline requirements, probably lack of a college degree. Or skeletons in the closet.

TankerPatch 02-07-2022 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by WaterRooster (Post 3367627)
They are going to be a monster to deal with. Business and International need to come back soon


Originally Posted by KnightNight (Post 3367690)
Frontier has 1500 pilots….this isn’t ground shattering. They are fighting a war of attrition. Look at their pay rates, why would anyone stay there? Especially with what upgrade is dropping to at the legacies.

Seems like this merger will first and foremost be a bigger threat to Allegiant, Avelo, Breeze, and Sun Country—in terms of direct competition for both low-fare customers and pilots to fly those customers.

That said, having seen/seeing what Ryanair and other LCCs did to legacy business models in Europe, I’d never dismiss this combined company as a concern for UAL/other legacies.

WaterRooster 02-07-2022 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3367686)
I take it you've never been through a merger. Because if you had, you wouldn't say that.

Say that a combined company with a CASM half of a legacy carrier shouldn’t make them concerned? Take a look at Europe and the ULCC model over there as an example. I’m not saying tomorrow they will dangerous but give it 5 years to really get rolling and yes, it should be a concern.


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