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02-07-2022 | 04:39 AM

DashTrash

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New Merger…

Frontier and Spirit merge???

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/07/fron...Q1lgeOpvNMIXPU

02-07-2022 | 05:21 AM

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They are going to be a monster to deal with. Business and International need to come back soon

02-07-2022 | 05:23 AM

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Frontier and Spirit merge???

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/07/fron...Q1lgeOpvNMIXPU

hopefully they learn from history and actually read ALPA merger policy before they submit integration proposals to an arbitration board, unlike what the CAL merger committee did to their pilots. Some guys still haven’t moved past it, and the merger was 12 years ago.

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02-07-2022 | 05:26 AM

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hopefully they learn from history and actually read ALPA merger policy before they submit integration proposals to an arbitration board, unlike what CAL did to their pilots. Some guys still haven’t moved past it, and the merger was 12 years ago.

My belief is that if all pilots are equally pi$$ed, then it’s probably fair.

02-07-2022 | 05:28 AM

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Uhhh ohhhhhh….. that international travel isn’t coming back anytime soon….. look out.

02-07-2022 | 05:57 AM

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They are going to be a monster to deal with. Business and International need to come back soon

I take it you've never been through a merger. Because if you had, you wouldn't say that.

02-07-2022 | 05:59 AM

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Frontier has 1500 pilots….this isn’t ground shattering. They are fighting a war of attrition. Look at their pay rates, why would anyone stay there? Especially with what upgrade is dropping to at the legacies.

02-07-2022 | 06:13 AM

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...why would anyone stay there?

Not meeting mainline requirements, probably lack of a college degree. Or skeletons in the closet.

02-07-2022 | 06:13 AM

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They are going to be a monster to deal with. Business and International need to come back soon

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Seems like this merger will first and foremost be a bigger threat to Allegiant, Avelo, Breeze, and Sun Country—in terms of direct competition for both low-fare customers and pilots to fly those customers.

That said, having seen/seeing what Ryanair and other LCCs did to legacy business models in Europe, I’d never dismiss this combined company as a concern for UAL/other legacies.

02-07-2022 | 06:28 AM

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I take it you've never been through a merger. Because if you had, you wouldn't say that.

Say that a combined company with a CASM half of a legacy carrier shouldn’t make them concerned? Take a look at Europe and the ULCC model over there as an example. I’m not saying tomorrow they will dangerous but give it 5 years to really get rolling and yes, it should be a concern.