Originally Posted by johnwick (Post 3395048)

UAL could possibly increase the 321XLR orders rather than wait for this latest MAX debacle to play out. 🤷‍♂️

Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3397085)

Alaska will go all 737 by the end of 2023
all Airbus and future orders (31) from Alaska are going to United

Originally Posted by johnwick (Post 3395048)

UAL could possibly increase the 321XLR orders rather than wait for this latest MAX debacle to play out. 🤷‍♂️

Originally Posted by johnwick (Post 3395048)

UAL could possibly increase the 321XLR orders rather than wait for this latest MAX debacle to play out. 🤷‍♂️

Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3395256)

Have there been any accidents specifically attributed to the panel? I flew C130s in the USAF, and yes we had an engineer but the 737 panel really isn’t a big deal. Once you learn it that’s it, I don’t get the issue. The Max 10 not having EICAS should have no bearing on its cert, and the requirement was a classic knee jerk regulation free-for-all in response to untrained pilots not following procedure and crashing the other Max airplanes. In other words, “WE MUST DO SOMETHING!!”

if I recall correctly the panel was specifically not updated because the primary customer (SW) requested it be as close to the NG panel as possible, thus making an easier transition and less training required. Either way, the panel not having EICAS is simply not a safety issue, and makes almost no impact once a pilot learns the 737 panel of any type. My opinion obviously.

Originally Posted by uboatdriver (Post 3397318)

I’d say Helios likely would’ve been averted with an EICAS. Didn’t they add a a light after that crash?

Originally Posted by uboatdriver (Post 3397318)

I’d say Helios likely would’ve been averted with an EICAS. Didn’t they add a a light after that crash?

Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3397324)

A annoyingly loud intermittent horn once already in the air for a while probably isn’t a takeoff configuration warning. Don’t know if even EICAS would have helped that degree of situational awareness.

Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 3397429)

Are you joking? You’ve never heard an erroneous clacker, shaker, GPWS warning or something else that won’t stop in flight? That’s no so uncommon. I don’t know what their training was but am pretty sure most pilots can interpret an EICAS.

Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3397436)

It was meant to be tongue in cheek to a degree. Yes EICAS is nice, but when something like a loud intermittent horn is going off, perhaps people should stop and look around to figure out why. The intermittent horn is either a takeoff configuration warning on the ground, or a cabin altitude warning in flight. If only those guys had a big round dial with differential pressure and cabin altitude right over their heads when the horn went off in flight to enable them to verify if the horn was legit or erroneous……. The 737 definitely isn’t the most advanced or automated plane out there, but it isn’t exactly that hard to manage either.