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Originally Posted by Hedley
(Post 3397436)
It was meant to be tongue in cheek to a degree. Yes EICAS is nice, but when something like a loud intermittent horn is going off, perhaps people should stop and look around to figure out why. The intermittent horn is either a takeoff configuration warning on the ground, or a cabin altitude warning in flight. If only those guys had a big round dial with differential pressure and cabin altitude right over their heads when the horn went off in flight to enable them to verify if the horn was legit or erroneous……. The 737 definitely isn’t the most advanced or automated plane out there, but it isn’t exactly that hard to manage either.
Human factors are always a factor. I'm not specifically disagreeing with your comment as much as saying it seems shortsighted from a design and certification perspective to not have better systems and system logic when it's reasonably possible to do so. |
Originally Posted by Chuck D
(Post 3397531)
I get it. We're expected to be extremely competent and it's a reasonable expectation. That said, we can go through all of aviation's history and find stacks of pilot-error caused accidents. Hey, those guys (insert accident - and historically they essentially all were guys) should have known better. Hey, MCAS was fine, they should have been more competent. Who needs TCAS with see and avoid. Who needs GPWS with proper situational awareness for terrain, MOCAs, MORAS etc. Who needs a takeoff warning horn anyways... proper checklist adherence should fully address any issue.
Human factors are always a factor. I'm not specifically disagreeing with your comment as much as saying it seems shortsighted from a design and certification perspective to not have better systems and system logic when it's reasonably possible to do so. |
Originally Posted by Hedley
(Post 3397317)
Boeing will get an extension and get the 10 certified. It might be delayed 6 months or so, but we’ll probably be flying super guppies before the XLR is ready for delivery. The good news is that we only have 250+ of them ordered.🙄
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Originally Posted by johnwick
(Post 3395048)
UAL could possibly increase the 321XLR orders rather than wait for this latest MAX debacle to play out. 🤷♂️
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An EICAS system should be mandatory because it’s much safer!!! End of discussion!!! The recall system that is currently on the Guppy dates back to the 1950s. That’s over 70 years of technological advances that have not been instituted. That BTW, is all to save some training costs!!! The Guppy has run its course and it’s now time for advances!!!
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
(Post 3397782)
An EICAS system should be mandatory because it’s much safer!!! End of discussion!!! The recall system that is currently on the Guppy dates back to the 1950s. That’s over 70 years of technological advances that have not been instituted. That BTW, is all to save some training costs!!! The Guppy has run its course and it’s now time for advances!!!
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The reason the 737 cockpit looks like it does is mostly due to the FAA, not Boeing. The FAA makes it so onerous to change anything due to training and certification requirements that is just is not feasible for airlines or Boeing. The FAA created this problem themselves.
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Originally Posted by Knotcher
(Post 3397843)
The reason the 737 cockpit looks like it does is mostly due to the FAA, not Boeing. The FAA makes it so onerous to change anything due to training and certification requirements that is just is not feasible for airlines or Boeing. The FAA created this problem themselves.
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
(Post 3397896)
Boeing created this problem for themselves. Instead of creating a long overdue narrowbody from a clean sheet, they stretched the 737 yet again and are spending more time and losing more money by engineering work-arounds to get it working than it would have cost in R&D for a whole new jet.
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Originally Posted by Knotcher
(Post 3397909)
Is that just a hunch or did you have the numbers? It is a staggering amount to create a clean sheet airplane, and obviously at the time Boeing decided it didn't make sense.
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