Originally Posted by E6-B (Post 3434747)

Thanks for the Alpa link. Just completed the call to action.

big fat NO on age 68.

Originally Posted by E6-B (Post 3434747)

Thanks for the Alpa link. Just completed the call to action.

big fat NO on age 68.

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 3434845)

Yes to any age guys want to fly until. Whats the problem- retire when you want. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 3434845)

Yes to any age guys want to fly until. Whats the problem- retire when you want. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3434946)

we live in a seniority based system, maybe someone wants to do 3 years wide body captain then retire, they won’t be able to do that if the people above them never leave. Age is something that’s the same for everyone and creates a semi balanced field. I’m not young enough to where I will ever be top 10% at a major with 65 and that’s ok with me, pushing the age to 68 will make me work longer to get a few decent years. As it stands right now I plan to retire at an age that would put me at 30% pushing it to 68 would put me closer to %45 percent which means I will never get a decent schedule in my career. I understand the lost decade, but that decade includes everyone from that decade, no need to punish the next decade of pilots

Originally Posted by Dc8co (Post 3434647)

Guys, have everyone you know fill this out!
you don’t have to be a pilot or an Alpa member to submit this…

https://alpa.quorum.us/campaign/40701/

Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3432384)

I have flown with pilots over 65. The people who want to get rid of the 65 age limit aren't even greedy, they just have no life outside of aviation. Even if they are still on their first wife, their family doesn't like them. They might be a jerk, or they might be a dork (the only 2 personality types that are allowed), but in either case, their family wants nothing to do with them. By this point in their life, is too late to repair those relationships. They are passed the point of getting in actual family fights. It's more of an understanding that they are not wanted. When they are around on their days off, everyone is just waiting for them to go back to work, and they know it. That's why they want to keep working. They know they need to get out of the house, but they failed to develop any hobbies.

If you identify with this problem, rather than destroying an industry so you can squeeze another 2 years out of this career, go to your local FBO and get current in small GA planes again. Not only will this get you out of the house, but odds are the student pilots will genuinely be impressed with your stories, unlike the 121 FOs who have heard it all before.

Originally Posted by sydney5316 (Post 3435148)

I love how people assume ridiculous scenarios regarding peoples personal lives.

Originally Posted by sydney5316 (Post 3435148)

I love how people assume ridiculous scenarios regarding peoples personal lives.

Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 3435033)

You all are over thinking this. Once you hit 65 and want to continue flying, you only have to identify as a 55 year old. That’s how the world works these days and if you have a problem with it you are a bigot and a racist.

Originally Posted by massgflight (Post 3435997)

This thread sucks. I’m baffled you folks don’t wanna vote to gain a (supposed) true feel for what the group wants to do regarding age limit change.

Why vote For anything then, right? I mean, isn’t that where we are going?

Why even have a TA process, review, or bickering session about what is and isn’t in our forthcoming AIP? Just let the MEC approve it.

Why have elections, because you know, other people know better.

And yes, no one knows the other pilots personal concerns, conditions, health, financial status or otherwise, nor should they, right? Or screw it, let’s just eliminate the rest of privacy now too because, someone else knows better. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by bigboeings (Post 3436328)

Everyone has their own ideas about this, and post gross generalizations in both directions. Not everyone who is flying 121 at 65 has had the golden goose at there door for decades. Nor has every younger pilot experienced the lost decade.

Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3436483)

nope but pretty much everyone knows that 65 is quitting time at 121, and no matter what your life path to 65 was, you better have a plan besides hoping to get some overtime at someone else's expense.

Originally Posted by Augerin (Post 3436688)

This is a perfect example of Greed, Selfishness, It's always about me.

Originally Posted by massgflight (Post 3435997)

This thread sucks. I’m baffled you folks don’t wanna vote to gain a (supposed) true feel for what the group wants to do regarding age limit change.

Why vote For anything then, right? I mean, isn’t that where we are going?

Why even have a TA process, review, or bickering session about what is and isn’t in our forthcoming AIP? Just let the MEC approve it.

Why have elections, because you know, other people know better.

And yes, no one knows the other pilots personal concerns, conditions, health, financial status or otherwise, nor should they, right? Or screw it, let’s just eliminate the rest of privacy now too because, someone else knows better. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Cruz Clearance (Post 3437330)

Great idea then UPA 2022 needs a clause to limit a maximum age of 65.
Those that wish to remain flying after 65 can bring their experience and mentoring to the carriers experiencing
shortages of qualified applicants.

Originally Posted by Cruz Clearance (Post 3437330)

Great idea then UPA 2022 needs a clause to limit a maximum age of 65.
Those that wish to remain flying after 65 can bring their experience and mentoring to the carriers experiencing
shortages of qualified applicants.

Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 3433783)

Do you really think that a letter from a pilot means jack schitt on this issue? The forces that drive this change (IF it even happens) don't give a crap about what a 64 year old pilot thinks...or what a 30 year old pilot thinks. I know it's depressing to realize that you're effectively powerless, but life makes more sense and you'll have less angst when you accept reality. IF the rule changes then each individual pilot will choose what they do - its not their fault the rule changed so why throw shade when they choose to stay?

Originally Posted by massgflight (Post 3434969)

Seniority ain’t going nowhere.

On the one hand, great. That’s your choice
& one you should have. Retire when you want, chase the fleet and seat you want.

On the other hand let folks chose their exit time and style. Extending the age won’t make a difference except possibly delaying your seniority progression yet still giving your due time to earn and be in Fleet/seat if you choose. It would also give you the ability to do what you want later if your healthy and choose to.

I want chik fil A. Don’t tell me I gotta go to In N Out.

Retire when you want, quit when you want,
Stay as long as you want or can. Options. The point is if we vote on it then at least we can see everyone’s opinion.

I see the legislation on this moving whether we like it or not.

Baffling that as a union we don’t respect nor do we want to hear everyone’s opinion.

Originally Posted by Mytime2025 (Post 3437590)

Want to retire at 55 do it. 60 do it , 63 do it. 65 do it. Of pushed up to 68 who cares, nobody is forced to continue to 68. It's going to happen so just suck it up and if needed collect that extra 3 yrs of LTD.

Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 3432358)

Thanks bud but I’ll pass

Originally Posted by Mytime2025 (Post 3437616)

Even if ICAO didn't raise the age ( and they will) it makes no difference. All Hawaii wide body flying and domestic would be flown by over 65 pilots. Not a bad gig flying two Maui trips per month. So ALPA is being intellectualy dishonest about a bump in age.

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3432377)

Yeah……

No thanks on age 67.