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raisethepilotage.com
This is making the rounds.
https://raisethepilotage.com/ ***** Dear Senator/Representative: I am writing today to urge you to support raising the airline pilot retirement age. The airline industry is experiencing a pilot shortage which is forecast to get worse. It is essential that Congress take action to help shore up the industry so that our airlines can continue to provide essential air service to Americans. My union, ____________________________, did not ask my opinion before taking a position on this matter, but I want you to know how I feel. As a current airline pilot, safety is and always has been my number one priority. In 2007 when the retirement age changed from 60 to 65 ,we heard many argue that raising the retirement age would detract from safety. It did not. Fifteen years of data prove that those arguments were as invalid then as they are today. The fact is that studies show that pilot incapacitation as a result of age-related medical problems is an extremely rare occurrence. While some are advocating for a reduction in the qualifications for pilots to solve the problem, science and recent airline accidents clearly indicate such a move would be detrimental to airline safety. The reality is that experienced pilots are the backbone of our safe air transportation system. As Sully Sullenberger demonstrated, in aviation there is no substitute for experience. The FAA believes that experience is so important that it has now mandated that major airlines establish programs where experienced pilots mentor the airline’s newer pilots. Raising the pilot retirement age will also help relieve the burden on the Social Security system as I will not need to take benefits for a number of additional years. As Congress considers solutions for the current pilot shortage, I hope that you will keep these views in mind. The issue is extremely important to me and to our nation’s air transport system. airline pilot retirement age. Let’s do what’s right for the country. Thank you for your consideration. |
Thanks bud but I’ll pass
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Mods please delete this clown post immediately.
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Someone’s third marriage didn’t go as planned….
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Im writing to oppose any raise.
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Yeah……
No thanks on age 67. |
I have flown with pilots over 65. The people who want to get rid of the 65 age limit aren't even greedy, they just have no life outside of aviation. Even if they are still on their first wife, their family doesn't like them. They might be a jerk, or they might be a dork (the only 2 personality types that are allowed), but in either case, their family wants nothing to do with them. By this point in their life, is too late to repair those relationships. They are passed the point of getting in actual family fights. It's more of an understanding that they are not wanted. When they are around on their days off, everyone is just waiting for them to go back to work, and they know it. That's why they want to keep working. They know they need to get out of the house, but they failed to develop any hobbies.
If you identify with this problem, rather than destroying an industry so you can squeeze another 2 years out of this career, go to your local FBO and get current in small GA planes again. Not only will this get you out of the house, but odds are the student pilots will genuinely be impressed with your stories, unlike the 121 FOs who have heard it all before. |
Originally Posted by AlettaOcean
(Post 3432357)
This is making the rounds.
https://raisethepilotage.com/ ***** Dear Senator/Representative: I am writing today to urge you to support raising the airline pilot retirement age. The airline industry is experiencing a pilot shortage which is forecast to get worse. It is essential that Congress take action to help shore up the industry so that our airlines can continue to provide essential air service to Americans. My union, ____________________________, did not ask my opinion before taking a position on this matter, but I want you to know how I feel. As a current airline pilot, safety is and always has been my number one priority. In 2007 when the retirement age changed from 60 to 65 ,we heard many argue that raising the retirement age would detract from safety. It did not. Fifteen years of data prove that those arguments were as invalid then as they are today. The fact is that studies show that pilot incapacitation as a result of age-related medical problems is an extremely rare occurrence. While some are advocating for a reduction in the qualifications for pilots to solve the problem, science and recent airline accidents clearly indicate such a move would be detrimental to airline safety. The reality is that experienced pilots are the backbone of our safe air transportation system. As Sully Sullenberger demonstrated, in aviation there is no substitute for experience. The FAA believes that experience is so important that it has now mandated that major airlines establish programs where experienced pilots mentor the airline’s newer pilots. Raising the pilot retirement age will also help relieve the burden on the Social Security system as I will not need to take benefits for a number of additional years. As Congress considers solutions for the current pilot shortage, I hope that you will keep these views in mind. The issue is extremely important to me and to our nation’s air transport system. airline pilot retirement age. Let’s do what’s right for the country. Thank you for your consideration. |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3432384)
I have flown with pilots over 65. The people who want to get rid of the 65 age limit aren't even greedy, they just have no life outside of aviation. Even if they are still on their first wife, their family doesn't like them. They might be a jerk, or they might be a dork (the only 2 personality types that are allowed), but in either case, their family wants nothing to do with them. By this point in their life, is too late to repair those relationships. They are passed the point of getting in actual family fights. It's more of an understanding that they are not wanted. When they are around on their days off, everyone is just waiting for them to go back to work, and they know it. That's why they want to keep working. They know they need to get out of the house, but they failed to develop any hobbies.
If you identify with this problem, rather than destroying an industry so you can squeeze another 2 years out of this career, go to your local FBO and get current in small GA planes again. Not only will this get you out of the house, but odds are the student pilots will genuinely be impressed with your stories, unlike the 121 FOs who have heard it all before. |
Originally Posted by fadec
(Post 3432395)
You say it like it's a bad thing. An old long-haul cargo pilot once told me this about flying, "Every couple of weeks you have to leave the ones you love and go home."
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Frankly don’t care how long someone wants to work. Just don’t tell me how I should vote, advocate for, or spend my money.
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Bumped for OP
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
(Post 3433377)
Bumped for OP
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
(Post 3433385)
Just couldn’t let this fade away into the land of lost posts?
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
(Post 3433404)
Haha, it was unfairly deleted by yours truly... I'm still learning the TOS.. everytime I go to read it I just get Rick rolled..
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Hell no! But if we must it should require an extensive medical which includes stress test, BMI limit vision and hearing test...military style...if you pass have at it...if not your done...
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Originally Posted by UASCOMPILOT
(Post 3433421)
Hell no! But if we must it should require an extensive medical which includes stress test, BMI limit vision and hearing test...military style...if you pass have at it...if not your done...
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Originally Posted by UASCOMPILOT
(Post 3433421)
Hell no! But if we must it should require an extensive medical which includes stress test, BMI limit vision and hearing test...military style...if you pass have at it...if not your done...
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 3433451)
From the looks of a typical airline terminal, a BMI limit would take out quite a few younger guys and girls too.
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
(Post 3433455)
All the more reason to have one. I’ll be super senior in no time:eek:
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More stringent medical requirements sound like a great idea in your twenties to mid thirties. Sometime in your mid 40s you start thinking, "well let's not go TOO crazy here..."
After all at some point the weight gets a little harder to take off, and the pages get a little blurry unless you wear cheaters, etc... Getting old is no fun. 65 is plenty. I'll consider myself lucky if I can make it that long. |
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
(Post 3433474)
More stringent medical requirements sound like a great idea in your twenties to mid thirties. Sometime in your mid 40s you start thinking, "well let's not go TOO crazy here..."
After all at some point the weight gets a little harder to take off, and the pages get a little blurry unless you wear cheaters, etc... Getting old is no fun. 65 is plenty. I'll consider myself lucky if I can make it that long. Very true. All the young guys push for astronaut physicals (which are completely unnecessary to fly an airliner btw) simply to thin the ranks above,..until they aren't so young anymore then change their tune. |
Originally Posted by AlettaOcean
(Post 3432357)
This is making the rounds.
https://raisethepilotage.com/ ***** Dear Senator/Representative: I am writing today to urge you to support raising the airline pilot retirement age. The airline industry is experiencing a pilot shortage which is forecast to get worse. It is essential that Congress take action to help shore up the industry so that our airlines can continue to provide essential air service to Americans. My union, ____________________________, did not ask my opinion before taking a position on this matter, but I want you to know how I feel. As a current airline pilot, safety is and always has been my number one priority. In 2007 when the retirement age changed from 60 to 65 ,we heard many argue that raising the retirement age would detract from safety. It did not. Fifteen years of data prove that those arguments were as invalid then as they are today. The fact is that studies show that pilot incapacitation as a result of age-related medical problems is an extremely rare occurrence. While some are advocating for a reduction in the qualifications for pilots to solve the problem, science and recent airline accidents clearly indicate such a move would be detrimental to airline safety. The reality is that experienced pilots are the backbone of our safe air transportation system. As Sully Sullenberger demonstrated, in aviation there is no substitute for experience. The FAA believes that experience is so important that it has now mandated that major airlines establish programs where experienced pilots mentor the airline’s newer pilots. Raising the pilot retirement age will also help relieve the burden on the Social Security system as I will not need to take benefits for a number of additional years. As Congress considers solutions for the current pilot shortage, I hope that you will keep these views in mind. The issue is extremely important to me and to our nation’s air transport system. airline pilot retirement age. Let’s do what’s right for the country. Thank you for your consideration. C2C cockpit to the casket congratulations |
Air traffic controllers have mandatory retirement at age 56.
Their role doesn’t include physiological effects like pressurization changes, turbulence, time changes and seasonal fluctuations across time zones and latitudes. In addition, controllers have a unique ability to call for help, D-Side, reduce capacity to meet capability and step aside from the stress when deemed necessary. If you don’t believe me, just look at the fluctuating AAR or MinInTrail, AFP or eventual GDP during stressful times. A pilot with command authority over the paying general public at an advanced age has a more stressful job than a controller and is allowed to exercise his certificate nine years beyond 56. Yes controllers take medical exams as well. No, controllers do not have the aggregate stress of managing direct reports like FO or FA’s. No the controller doesn’t have a time table to meet profitability and drives home daily. Leaning on the copilot? How else could you explain this. And yes that aircraft requires two able people not one. Both Left end Right seat must be capable of minimum standards at all times. (Careful what you wish for). Sure the lost decade needs their $cut and the guys with 3 wife’s need alimony money —-I get it. But no one can justify a captain has the same cognition or response time at 65 than he/she did at 45 during a red-eye end to a four day while hand flying an ILS because of an MEL. Say you want the money and let the doctors decide on your cognition and minimum qualification for safety——-but don’t say it’s in the interest of safety. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Sniper66
(Post 3433536)
C2C
cockpit to the casket congratulations |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3432384)
I have flown with pilots over 65. The people who want to get rid of the 65 age limit aren't even greedy, they just have no life outside of aviation. Even if they are still on their first wife, their family doesn't like them. They might be a jerk, or they might be a dork (the only 2 personality types that are allowed), but in either case, their family wants nothing to do with them. By this point in their life, is too late to repair those relationships. They are passed the point of getting in actual family fights. It's more of an understanding that they are not wanted. When they are around on their days off, everyone is just waiting for them to go back to work, and they know it. That's why they want to keep working. They know they need to get out of the house, but they failed to develop any hobbies.
If you identify with this problem, rather than destroying an industry so you can squeeze another 2 years out of this career, go to your local FBO and get current in small GA planes again. Not only will this get you out of the house, but odds are the student pilots will genuinely be impressed with your stories, unlike the 121 FOs who have heard it all before. |
Old timers trying to stuff their bank accounts and using a patriotic argument is off putting. No pilot below 57 in their right mind would want this. Every pilot for themself I guess.
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3432384)
I have flown with pilots over 65. The people who want to get rid of the 65 age limit aren't even greedy, they just have no life outside of aviation. Even if they are still on their first wife, their family doesn't like them. They might be a jerk, or they might be a dork (the only 2 personality types that are allowed), but in either case, their family wants nothing to do with them. By this point in their life, is too late to repair those relationships. They are passed the point of getting in actual family fights. It's more of an understanding that they are not wanted. When they are around on their days off, everyone is just waiting for them to go back to work, and they know it. That's why they want to keep working. They know they need to get out of the house, but they failed to develop any hobbies.
If you identify with this problem, rather than destroying an industry so you can squeeze another 2 years out of this career, go to your local FBO and get current in small GA planes again. Not only will this get you out of the house, but odds are the student pilots will genuinely be impressed with your stories, unlike the 121 FOs who have heard it all before. |
Originally Posted by Jk3728
(Post 3433769)
This for sure. The 91 and 135 operators are feeling the squeeze. If you still want (need) to work after 65 go get a corporate job. If you negotiate properly you can make 2k a day as a contract rate on a large cabin biz jet. Like you said they can develop the FOs on those aircraft by sharing their experience. I think pilots sitting right seat in a jet w former 121 Capts will gain much more knowledge and experience then a CFI doing pattern work in a 172.
Or you can be like the Delta CA who was on my jumpseat and about to retire after a military/30yr airline career. He's gonna walk into Netjets and fly the Gulfstreams because of his experience. |
Originally Posted by Jk3728
(Post 3433769)
This for sure. The 91 and 135 operators are feeling the squeeze. If you still want (need) to work after 65 go get a corporate job. If you negotiate properly you can make 2k a day as a contract rate on a large cabin biz jet. Like you said they can develop the FOs on those aircraft by sharing their experience. I think pilots sitting right seat in a jet w former 121 Capts will gain much more knowledge and experience then a CFI doing pattern work in a 172.
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Raise the age, drop the 1500 hours, allow more foreign pilots in.
Here’s where the whole thing is headed. They already accomplished their goals in ER medicine: Private Equity Gloats Over A Doctor Glut Health care vultures helped create an oversupply of ER physicians — now they want to use the surplus to cut wages and limit care. https://www.levernews.com/private-eq...a-doctor-glut/ https://i.imgur.com/ybBTJZQ.jpg |
Originally Posted by AlettaOcean
(Post 3433798)
Raise the age, drop the 1500 hours, allow more foreign pilots in.
Here’s where the whole thing is headed. They already accomplished their goals in ER medicine: Private Equity Gloats Over A Doctor Glut Health care vultures helped create an oversupply of ER physicians — now they want to use the surplus to cut wages and limit care. https://www.levernews.com/private-eq...a-doctor-glut/ https://i.imgur.com/ybBTJZQ.jpg Private equity is halving the required experience for ER doctors, raising the (non-existent) retirement age, and facilitating more work visas? Is that what you’re saying? |
Thanks for the example. I’ll send this to my representatives today!
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Yeah... The FAA numbers indicate just over 15k pilots hit mandatory retirement age last year. And slightly more than 54k ATPs issued. Pilot shortage. Right.
How about the airlines trying to lower demand so labor costs can be reduced. |
Originally Posted by AlettaOcean
(Post 3432357)
This is making the rounds.
https://raisethepilotage.com/ ***** Dear Senator/Representative: I am writing today to urge you to support raising the airline pilot retirement age. The airline industry is experiencing a pilot shortage which is forecast to get worse. It is essential that Congress take action to help shore up the industry so that our airlines can continue to provide essential air service to Americans. My union, ____________________________, did not ask my opinion before taking a position on this matter, but I want you to know how I feel. As a current airline pilot, safety is and always has been my number one priority. In 2007 when the retirement age changed from 60 to 65 ,we heard many argue that raising the retirement age would detract from safety. It did not. Fifteen years of data prove that those arguments were as invalid then as they are today. The fact is that studies show that pilot incapacitation as a result of age-related medical problems is an extremely rare occurrence. While some are advocating for a reduction in the qualifications for pilots to solve the problem, science and recent airline accidents clearly indicate such a move would be detrimental to airline safety. The reality is that experienced pilots are the backbone of our safe air transportation system. As Sully Sullenberger demonstrated, in aviation there is no substitute for experience. The FAA believes that experience is so important that it has now mandated that major airlines establish programs where experienced pilots mentor the airline’s newer pilots. Raising the pilot retirement age will also help relieve the burden on the Social Security system as I will not need to take benefits for a number of additional years. As Congress considers solutions for the current pilot shortage, I hope that you will keep these views in mind. The issue is extremely important to me and to our nation’s air transport system. airline pilot retirement age. Let’s do what’s right for the country. Thank you for your consideration. Bwahahahah ……….. no. |
Guys, have everyone you know fill this out!
you don’t have to be a pilot or an Alpa member to submit this… https://alpa.quorum.us/campaign/40701/ |
Originally Posted by Droopy
(Post 3434453)
Yeah... The FAA numbers indicate just over 15k pilots hit mandatory retirement age last year.
Originally Posted by Droopy
(Post 3434453)
And slightly more than 54k ATPs issued. Pilot shortage. Right.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3434673)
That doesn't sound right. Unless it includes an ATP being issued because somebody got a new type on their existing ATP?
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FAA STATs
ORIGINAL ATPs issued in 2021 was 5020. The rest were additional types. |
Is it just me or do all these raise the retirement age posts read just like the "Freedom Flyers" posts? Coincidence? I think not.
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