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Sniper66

06-22-2022 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Knotcher (Post 3445331)

Let me guess...bottom third two year upgrade?

I have the same feeling
however if 2 years ago 4300 facing furlough did not scared him/her I don’t know what we can say to change his/her thinking
Scope relief should be a big No No

TodKindrsChikun

06-22-2022 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3445383)

history always repeats itself
no dogma etc

United had almost 1000 aircraft fleet prior to 9/11 and by 2010 had 425
Think about how many jobs were lost

Wasn’t it Whiteferg who said something along the lines of “bring on the RJs it won’t affect me”?

AxlF16

06-22-2022 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lenticularis (Post 3445345)

I will be shocked if we see any scope give in this TA. Everyone knows that’s the red line that we will never vote in favor for and anyone that presents such a document for us to sign will be shamed for life.

That was my input to my LEC rep. I'm open for a new approach, but the reality is that anything seen as a concession will be a poison pill. If it's not crystal clear, and needs to be explained (ie sold) then it's going to be seen as a concession.

C11DCA

06-22-2022 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3445383)

history always repeats itself
no dogma etc

United had almost 1000 aircraft fleet prior to 9/11 and by 2010 had 425
Think about how many jobs were lost

Appreciate the sentiment but United was never that big. Lets look at the actual numbers.

Per the annual reports:

end of year 2000, UAL had 604 aircraft in its fleet.

end of year 2009 it was 360,

end of year 2008 of 409.

Sniper66

06-22-2022 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TodKindrsChikun (Post 3445443)

Wasn’t it Whiteferg who said something along the lines of “bring on the RJs it won’t affect me”?

that was when United split to 2 different airlines and Unity was destroyed

Sunvox

06-22-2022 06:10 AM

1) At a minimum but acceptable to me: No changes in Scope
2) Improvements in reserve
3) Significant pay raise
4) Some other improvements particularly non-taxable ones.

Mytime2025

06-22-2022 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 3445444)

"Red line" hahaha now that's funny. Same language used by the MEC just before the company stole our pensions. There is NO red line so stop that nonsensical talk.

AxlF16

06-22-2022 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mytime2025 (Post 3445518)

"Red line" hahaha now that's funny. Same language used by the MEC just before the company stole our pensions. There is NO red line so stop that nonsensical talk.

Bull**** and you know it. What stopped the company from adding additional 76 seaters?

FriendlyPilot

06-22-2022 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 3445175)

Thousands of pilots said that over two decades ago. And damn near all of them learned the hard way. Who sent you?

It was just two short years ago that we saw 76 seaters parked at mainline gates while mainline was sending out WARN letters. You forgot about that already?

Cute but this isn’t 20 years ago. You are stuck in the past.

89Pistons

06-22-2022 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3445539)

Cute but this isn’t 20 years ago. You are stuck in the past.

Did you miss the part about two short years ago? Your blind eye won't benefit you.

United Airlines sending 'gut punch' furlough warnings to 36,000 workers

This was July 8, 2020. Less than two years ago.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2492IG

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