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DashTrash 06-21-2022 10:50 AM

TA Considerations: Sections
 
I’m just trying to understand how each one of us considers a Tentative Agreement, and which sections are more important/less important. This is a question for each individual and we all vote for our personal situations. NO FLAMING!!! Just honest and frank discussion. We might learn something???

For me, scope (Section 1) is the section that I read first. That is an up or down vote for me!!! If it is unsat, I stop reading and will vote “NO”. Then I move on to scheduling and hours of service. Then move to R&I.

Again, I would like to have a constructive discussion regarding this!!! Nothing derogatory towards anyone!!!

johnwick 06-21-2022 11:50 AM

Top 5 for me are essentially the same:
1) Scope
2) Scheduling of crews
3) Hours of Service
4) R&I
5) Compensation

dingdong 06-21-2022 12:17 PM

I can’t wait for people in this thread to start arguing about the “right” way to read a TA.

DashTrash 06-21-2022 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by dingdong (Post 3445011)
I can’t wait for people in this thread to start arguing about the “right” way to read a TA.

There is no “right” way!!! Just the right way for each individual‘s life…

Chuck D 06-21-2022 12:59 PM

I’m so hardcore I don’t even look at section 3

DashTrash 06-21-2022 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 3445042)
I’m so hardcore I don’t even look at section 3

If you’re serious, I applaud you!!!

drywhitetoast 06-21-2022 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 3445042)
I’m so hardcore I don’t even look at section 3

I have entire Section 3 redacted

Sniper66 06-21-2022 02:06 PM

Any changes to scope
and I mean any more 70/76 seats allowed than we had at the previous contract
is a BIG NO

libertyrisk 06-21-2022 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3445080)
Any changes to scope
and I mean any more 70/76 seats allowed than we had at the previous contract
is a BIG NO

Yup, that's an easy BIG NO. Doesn't matter what is in the rest of TA. If the MEC passes anything that relaxes scope, they should be recalled immediately.

FriendlyPilot 06-21-2022 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3445080)
Any changes to scope
and I mean any more 70/76 seats allowed than we had at the previous contract
is a BIG NO

Doesn’t really matter. Its going to pass. We are replacing 200-300 50 and 70 seat RJs with mainline planes. We can’t hire pilots fast enough. Adding a few 76 seaters is nothing in my opinion. Certainly not anything that affect my job or yours. I’m not putting off contractual improvement because instead of having 153 76 seaters we have 180 but we have 300 less other RJ’s. A great trade off in my opinion and not really worth voting down the entire agreement.

I’m not going to give up actual gains because of some dogma about “holding the line” when we will probably hire 10,000 pilots in the next 5 years.


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