Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3452287)

Doesn’t matter what they are. They agreed to this and publicly stated this is the best they can do. They’re defeated. Bring in replacements.

Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator (Post 3452338)

How about the fact the DAL gets a full retirement on day 1 of LTD (32% at 50% pay NO CAP) vs we get 16% after 36 months. Plus due to our CAP and NO CAP at DAL many UAL pilots will get less then a true 16% retirement due to CAP.

Let me repeat - DAL gets full retirement on day 1 of LTD - me United Pilots get 50% of retirement after 36 months in LTD. WTF!

Originally Posted by Nazareswave (Post 3452278)

NC removed to start

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3452677)

Delta guy who had major surgery. My LTD was almost double your cap plus 32% of that amount into retirement. I was aided by high profit sharing numbers added into my FAE but 12,500 is a joke for a pilot earning 30k or more a month. Consider also that the Delta disability is 100% company funded.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3452677)

Delta guy who had major surgery. My LTD was almost double your cap plus 32% of that amount into retirement. I was aided by high profit sharing numbers added into my FAE but 12,500 is a joke for a pilot earning 30k or more a month. Consider also that the Delta disability is 100% company funded.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3452677)

Delta guy who had major surgery. My LTD was almost double your cap plus 32% of that amount into retirement. I was aided by high profit sharing numbers added into my FAE but 12,500 is a joke for a pilot earning 30k or more a month. Consider also that the Delta disability is 100% company funded.

Originally Posted by Duckdude (Post 3452768)

I’d rather pay part of the disability premium myself and have it tax free.

Maybe take delta’s plan but pay part of the premium ourselves, and get the best of both worlds.

Originally Posted by Chowdah (Post 3452274)

There are quite a few disappointing changes in the TA, but there are also a lot of positive changes. In hopes of weeding them out and giving the MEC (current or fresh blood) some intelligent direction, would this board like to offer what they deemed to be the actual concrete concessions. As far as I can see it:

The big 3:
- Increasing CRJ-550 operational allowances

- Going back to pre FAR 117 reserve show times

- Allowing non-Ual pilots as PIs

Some of the others
- Unpaid landings class (this one is a little tough, because it cuts both ways… I listed as a concession however, because it decreases pilot options)

- LCA pay only applying to legs flown (double edge sword because the override has gone up… And so have some of the discretionary company incentives)

- Removal of untriggered reassignment pay (double edge sword because there’s a higher likelihood of getting random add pay as a normal lineholder, but it will definitely be less than 125%)

Disappointing Status Quo:

- no increase to retirement contributions. I understand the market-based plan definitely helps to spell over from those making above the IRS threshold at 16%, but I think a change here is Important.

- 18 reserve days a month. I personally think the reason people don’t want to commute to reserve, is that the five and six day a work blocks Are a long time to be apart from your family. Even if we lost a single day and allowed for different schedule construction (like a cadence function), a 17 day month would allow us to do four day work blocks per week. I personally think that would be a game changer for reserve schedule building.

- no decrease or cap on medical expenses. Given the direction this is going for all of us, it seems like an absolute no-brainer.

- A limit on line construction value, or a higher trip rig. Like reserves, I don’t think most line holders want to have to tag a 2-day onto their monthly schedule because their four four-day trips don’t get them to a high enough value for PBS.



For some people, any single one of the above our dealbreakers. For others, the combination of the above plus the unwillingness of the MEC to acknowledge that this contract is far from industry-leading leads one to the NO vote. Instead of attempting to dox or personally attack individual union members, it would be more interesting to have actual intelligent discussions about what would have to be removed in order for a TA with double digit pay increases to pass.

Originally Posted by ReadyRsv (Post 3452770)

you got 24k post tax? Plus 8k contribution?

Originally Posted by Dirkkdiggler (Post 3452772)

You’re gonna pay taxes either way. It’s just do you want to pay them up front or once you’re out on disability.