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redblueskies 07-03-2022 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3454079)
Well someone with 30 years at Delta can generally hold any CA seat and depending on the equipment might well hold the exact sam trips for 30% more pay. There are a few like that at Delta. The majority failed upgrade and returned to the FO seat. If I were a FO I would feel that a 30 year pilot might not fully represent my issues and wants. I would probably want someone more representative of the demographic. On the other hand she might be a fantastic rep and gets elected with a 90%. It just comes off a bit odd.

This is one of our (DAL) management trolls, best to just ignore him. He's here to lower expectations.

awax 07-05-2022 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3454079)
Well someone with 30 years at Delta can generally hold any CA seat and depending on the equipment might well hold the exact sam trips for 30% more pay. There are a few like that at Delta. The majority failed upgrade and returned to the FO seat. If I were a FO I would feel that a 30 year pilot might not fully represent my issues and wants. I would probably want someone more representative of the demographic. On the other hand she might be a fantastic rep and gets elected with a 90%. It just comes off a bit odd.

What’s long and black and hangs in front of an a-hole?

….A Delta pilot’s tie.

ytumama 07-05-2022 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3454079)
Well someone with 30 years at Delta can generally hold any CA seat and depending on the equipment might well hold the exact sam trips for 30% more pay. There are a few like that at Delta. The majority failed upgrade and returned to the FO seat. If I were a FO I would feel that a 30 year pilot might not fully represent my issues and wants. I would probably want someone more representative of the demographic. On the other hand she might be a fantastic rep and gets elected with a 90%. It just comes off a bit odd.

It’s this ridiculous attitude of self importance that answers the question: Why United?

Mudge 07-05-2022 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 3455224)
What’s long and black and hangs in front of an a-hole?

….A Delta pilot’s tie.

Lol. Quote of the day. Thanks for the laugh!

Setopbug 07-05-2022 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3453791)
I am curious. Why is someone with 30 years at UAL still a first officer?

You know, it’s toxic, sick, unhappy people like like you that are one of the reasons we’re eating Delta’s lunch in the marketplace.

I’ll take one Anne over one hundred pieces of weight increasing uselessness like you seven days a week and twice on Sunday.

How are things looking for you guys in the North Atlantic in terms of market share and yield these days?

Yep.

Nantonaku 07-06-2022 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by Setopbug (Post 3455298)
You know, it’s toxic, sick, unhappy people like like you that are one of the reasons we’re eating Delta’s lunch in the marketplace.

I’ll take one Anne over one hundred pieces of weight increasing uselessness like you seven days a week and twice on Sunday.

How are things looking for you guys in the North Atlantic in terms of market share and yield these days?

Yep.

The North Atlantic might be bad but Asia is another story. NWA ran what basically amounted to a whole airline from Narita flying everywhere in Asia. Even after Covid clears all that will be left are a couple flights to Japan and Korea. Literally thousands of pilot jobs disappeared.

JoePatroni 07-06-2022 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3455583)
The North Atlantic might be bad but Asia is another story. NWA ran what basically amounted to a whole airline from Narita flying everywhere in Asia. Even after Covid clears all that will be left are a couple flights to Japan and Korea. Literally thousands of pilot jobs disappeared.

Part of that problem was airplanes that could go to all those places non-stop from the US didn’t really exist until the mid to late nineties.

Buck Rogers 07-06-2022 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Setopbug (Post 3455298)
You know, it’s toxic, sick, unhappy people like like you that are one of the reasons we’re eating Delta’s lunch in the marketplace.

I’ll take one Anne over one hundred pieces of weight increasing uselessness like you seven days a week and twice on Sunday.

How are things looking for you guys in the North Atlantic in terms of market share and yield these days?

Yep.


Just a point of order. In the thousands of posts that I have read by Sailing...never has he been toxic, sick or unhappy. Some may not like his message...but never are his positions so far out there that they don't consider due merit.

I think most pilots would at least wonder why any pilot would be a 30+ year FO and be an ALPA volunteer at the same time. I'm certainly not besmirching her reputation, nor ability. As a 30+ year Intl capt, there was a FO that was senior to me....I wondered ??? I was in the top 15% so there had to be some logical explanation for such an outlier.

So, you sounded pretty hostile for a fairly logical question.

If you would permit me my logical question that I don't understand. Why did the MEC set the TA voting deadline 3 days prior to the Q2 results. Try as I might, I can't really think of a logical explanation (unless of course the MEC expects Q2 to woefully underperform)

Mitch Rapp 07-06-2022 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3455656)
If you would permit me my logical question that I don't understand. Why did the MEC set the TA voting deadline 3 days prior to the Q2 results. Try as I might, I can't really think of a logical explanation (unless of course the MEC expects Q2 to woefully underperform)

I asked my rep this question and he says he didn’t think the results would change the mind of a yes or no voter. SMH

NuGuy 07-06-2022 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 3455629)
Part of that problem was airplanes that could go to all those places non-stop from the US didn’t really exist until the mid to late nineties.

That is a typical mis-understanding of the NWA route system in the Pacific. Due to their 5th freedom rights, NWA could act as a Japanese carrier and carry originating traffic, both passengers and cargo, out of Japan to a non-US destination, the same as JAL or ANA could. There was even some domestic Japanese flying in the mix, such as Narita - Osaka. Sure, there was a lot of connecting traffic through NRT, but the local traffic was a substantial amount of O/D haul to/from Tokyo to everywhere in the Pacific network.

Several things combined to put a cork in it. As you point out above, the ability to do point to point started to peel off some of the connecting traffic, but that was only a part of the problem. Asian discount carriers got started, and that nibbled away at the O/D market. Cargo cabotage through Alaska didn't help the cargo side of things. The swap to HND pulled out the business travelers going to Tokyo. Last but not least, the Japanese were tired of the whole deal, as I imagine we would be if JAL was flying from SFO to SEA, and that brought them into conflict with the then CEO. Bad combination of factors, but the point is that overflight thing is often stated, but probably played the least role.


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