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Originally Posted by 01110011
(Post 3478246)
How many other majors can roll you into your day off an unlimited amount of times?
how many other majors only give you only 6 hard days off on reserve? How many other majors can arbitrarily increase the number of reserves and required reserves, taking away lines and making it impossible to drop a single trip? Hotel language is good. Soft pay is pretty good. Crew meals/ground transportation/hotel walk ability is good. Days off/day off protection is abysmal and frankly no amount of add pay makes up for having plans on my day off robbed for company convenience. We have a ton of awesome little things for events that either rarely happen (hotel walks) or aren’t really worth a ton of money (dry cleaning), but we have very poor protections for our schedule and for our home lives. I told a friend at delta about global reserve and they looked at me like I was insane. Then I told them about how you can get reassigned until 11:59 on a day off even if the company can get you back to base and I thought their head was going to explode. There is no reason getting an EDCT on your last day, misconnecting for your final turn, should allow the company to pull you off your last turn and assign you an overnight. I shouldn’t have to bid for an extra day off before my plans just in case the company decides that their inability to staff is my problem and they decide to rob my day off so I can cover an inefficient PIT overnight for an extra 5 hours of pay. Over half of United pilots have less than 14 days off. That's not an industry standard... |
Hopefully the MEC and lawyers dive into more QOL items for their “contract comparison” pieces than just cherry picking items that make the TUMI TA look decent. However, a good leadership group would have done that years ago and seen how far we lag behind our peers and even a lot of regionals before sending the NC to the table. Instead, due to the disconnect with the pilot group, they thought sprinkling some add pay on the problem would get us to eat it up. My days at home and ability to manipulate my schedule are more important than money and we have neither when forced into the 100 hour buffer and the company can steal days off on their terms.
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Originally Posted by GPullR
(Post 3478237)
Worst work rules?? You are clueless.
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Originally Posted by Shimmyshimmy03
(Post 3477455)
If you look at my original post, I’m reaching out to people to see if they left SWA for UA, and what the reasons were. If you can provide insight into that, that would be helpful.
Welcome to APC. Good luck with your decision. |
Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
(Post 3478075)
“Riskier career?”
Also this is the strongest management team we have had in the last 30 years. Whatever happened in the past is the past. Any pilot hired today will likely have 8,000 pilots junior to them by 2028. Remind me, how many months passed between the time they stopped hiring and started furloughing both times? 2? 3? |
Originally Posted by serce
(Post 3478280)
Exactly! Don't forget field standby... I am actually surprised just how many United pilots are not aware how bad some of the bits of the contract are, even compared to the regionals.
Over half of United pilots have less than 14 days off. That's not an industry standard... |
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 3477714)
Do not underestimate what being stuck in the Guppy for decades (the MAXes are new and will have a 20-25 year lifespan at SWA) and flying on average three legs a day will do to your enjoyment of the job.
Let me be frank, after 16.5 years on the damn thing, I’m thoroughly over it and especially thoroughly over the SWA flying. I can’t believe this is even a question in people’s minds. 🤦♂️ And, on top of the mind-numbing repetitiveness of the flying, it’s also frustrating that so many of the people I fly with seem to be completely shut down to even attempting to do much of anything about trying to improve what can be improved. It’s like mass Stockholm Syndrome. I feel like I’m being gaslighted all day long. Am I crazy for seeing it like that or are they? It feels like I might be living on Shutter Island. |
Originally Posted by Margaritaville
(Post 3478344)
That's what my United friends were told in 2000 before their first furlough, and in 2007 before their second furlough. Lol.
Remind me, how many months passed between the time they stopped hiring and started furloughing both times? 2? 3? People can go where they want. Bottom line is that if someone has any doubt that United is a great airline to work for as a pilot, they shouldn’t even apply to interview. |
Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
(Post 3478597)
THis is not 2000 or 2007. We didn’t have unfilled Captain bids back then. We also didn’t have new hires getting WB FO. Delta, United and American all had furloughs in the last 20 years. I guess nobody should go there because there is a chance they might furlough in the future?
People can go where they want. Bottom line is that if someone has any doubt that United is a great airline to work for as a pilot, they shouldn’t even apply to interview. |
Originally Posted by serce
(Post 3478628)
The reason why United has unfilled Captain vacancies is because reserve here is a special form of torture. I am willing to bet that Southwest doesn't have Captains that are in bottom 10 percent.
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