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01110011 12-27-2022 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Lumberg823 (Post 3560470)
You aren’t wrong but at the same time the only contenders were tribal faction candidates. This union needs an enema. It’s time to change the bylaws. Bring MEC chair out of the dark back rooms of the union halls and have it be a system wide vote by all migs. The LECs can’t be trusted not to give into tribal politics, time for some sunlight disinfectant on this dumpster fire process.

Totally agree. There needs to be way more transparency and constituent engagement. No more “oh by the way the meeting is in two weeks an hour and a half from the airport” after bidding has closed. Zoom attendance should be allowed. No more “we voted on an AIP that you guys didn’t even get a bullet point briefing on”. No “We’re going to elect a new MEC chair behind closed doors with a weeks notice” nonsense.

AxlF16 12-27-2022 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 3560324)
Here, here!!

I keep saying the same, but it seems the same groups keep ending up in charge. Now there's talk again of GK. Time to stop the insanity and do what's right by our membership and not elect friends.

As it stands right now I'd support GK wholeheartedly. Like him or not, NS is a died in the wool unionist. He would've rubbed everyone the wrong way at various times because he's always about what is RIGHT. Somebody (UAL or ALPA?) is afraid of having that kind of leadership here. The attack on NS made that obvious. They DESERVE to have GK at the table.

AxlF16 12-27-2022 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3560321)
Throw out everyone who is pre merger . It's never going to get better. It's the same people infighting screwing up everything before and after Todd. Stop recycling same trash. Need new blood.

Show me the post merger volunteers and ill tell you who i support. Omitting people because of their legacy is stupid. IMO we need to decide what we want ALPA to be...a trade union or a company committee. Then put in the leadership to make it happen. I've got 9 years left so if the majority want to pass away the 'union' part of ALPA for the feel good stuff then so be it.

GPullR 12-27-2022 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by Spesiellsporing (Post 3560354)
Besides Goosecrap's, one of the most idiotic comments I've read. Just find the most qualified advocate of unionism willing to serve and move on. Continually dividing the pilot group does not benefit us.

Six years of autocracy has left this place in a void and leadership is needed.

Too bad majority agree.

Gooselives 12-27-2022 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 3560437)
NS provided all the ammo necessary for the tribal attack against himself. You are 100% correct that what we are experiencing right now is a group of over entitled children throwing feces at each other... it’s pretty pathetic. Even some of the interim reps who voted this last round for MC are questionable... they lobby on how they are going to do the right thing and be refreshing and the first thing they do is the opposite... they need to go also.

Characterizing AW as a money grubber is so far from the truth… I don’t agree with her on many things but she doesn’t deserve an attack that she’s doing it for $$$.

She literally went on forums during the pandemic loa and claimed she is in it for the money and she wasn’t going to “pay” for any other pilots salary…good thing she didn’t persuade me to vote no…I like our 5percent pay raise and my older friends enjoyed their early retirement

dmeg13021 12-27-2022 06:44 PM

I’m not going to pay your salary either. Nor should any other pilot. The company does. That is the point you failed to, yet may someday recognize.

Guppydriver95 12-27-2022 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by dmeg13021 (Post 3560797)
I’m not going to pay your salary either. Nor should any other pilot. The company does. That is the point you failed to, yet may someday recognize.

They were hoodwinked. Hopefully they see the light some day….Back to the thread topic…if your rep voted for the TA, they’re the problem. Everything else is noise, and an attempt to deflect and change the subject.

Gooselives 12-27-2022 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by dmeg13021 (Post 3560797)
I’m not going to pay
your salary either. Nor should any other pilot. The company does. That is the point you failed to, yet may someday recognize.

The culture has changed. We have one year captains. Thousands of new hires. The old ways of pay your dues blah blah…you deserve to be furloughed…blah blah are behind us. I think we are more united than before. We dont eat our own. Anne’s Me me me mentality is dying year by year. The pandemic LOA was a great thing for all.

Spesiellsporing 12-28-2022 04:32 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3560874)
The culture has changed. We have one year captains. Thousands of new hires. The old ways of pay your dues blah blah…you deserve to be furloughed…blah blah are behind us. I think we are more united than before. We dont eat our own. Anne’s Me me me mentality is dying year by year. The pandemic LOA was a great thing for all.

Thousands of new hires on a CEO growth bet. Who foots the bill if that bet goes south? A plan that bails out everyone, financially needed or not.

You were played like a fiddle.

GPullR 12-28-2022 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3560874)
The culture has changed. We have one year captains. Thousands of new hires. The old ways of pay your dues blah blah…you deserve to be furloughed…blah blah are behind us. I think we are more united than before. We dont eat our own. Anne’s Me me me mentality is dying year by year. The pandemic LOA was a great thing for all.

If you don't think somewhere in the next 10 years united isn't gonna furlough I have some swamp land in Florida I'd like to sell u.


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