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Originally Posted by SquawkIdent
(Post 3573115)
Just looking at the early reactions over in the Delta subforum. It's interesting that so far there are no complaints about retro pay, a subject that sucked up a lot of oxygen before the TA was released.
If I'm reading the language right it's: 4% for 2020, 4% for 2021, 14% for 2022, and 18% for January 1 to March 1, 2023 payable to retirees or deceased pilots' estates entire 2023 retro payment is eligible for profit sharing not eligible for 401k contribution except for the portion that's paid for January to March 2023 |
Originally Posted by mossimo
(Post 3574242)
First, be sure to sit on your hand until its numb. Ask Dave Chappelle why
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3574274)
The first three are not what I or many others consider real 'retro'. They do not compound into subsequent raises, nor are they pensionable. They are 'bonuses' for lack of a better word on 2019 rates. The first retro pay increase is the 18% this year and subsequent. On the 4,4,14, the company is getting a pass for dragging their feet on this contract.
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Originally Posted by SquawkIdent
(Post 3573115)
Just looking at the early reactions over in the Delta subforum. It's interesting that so far there are no complaints about retro pay, a subject that sucked up a lot of oxygen before the TA was released.
If I'm reading the language right it's: 4% for 2020, 4% for 2021, 14% for 2022, and 18% for January 1 to March 1, 2023 payable to retirees or deceased pilots' estates entire 2023 retro payment is eligible for profit sharing not eligible for 401k contribution except for the portion that's paid for January to March 2023 So it is really like you got :
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
(Post 3575720)
So it is really like you got :
the pay raise effective 1/1/23 (if it passes) is an 18% increase from the last contractual hourly rate bump on 1/1/19. Close to half will get more than that due to establishing pay banding, it looks like. |
Originally Posted by GoCats67
(Post 3575720)
So it is really like you got :
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Originally Posted by Giordano Bruno
(Post 3576345)
Yes on the first three bullets, no on the third.
the pay raise effective 1/1/23 (if it passes) is an 18% increase from the last contractual hourly rate bump on 1/1/19. Close to half will get more than that due to establishing pay banding, it looks like. DALPA is saying 48% of the seniority list is getting > 18% (25% IIRC) because of the 765/330 banding up to 350, 319/320 banding up to 737-800, and 220 banding up to previous 320 rate. |
Originally Posted by Sixty N Two
(Post 3573183)
Their “Me too” says one time if I read that right. So we should also expect a Me too. They leap frog us once and we do it right back, am I reading that wrong? I like that it’s 1 percent too, not $1. I don’t like that their 73 700/800 is a lower pay rate than the 900. 700 and 319 need to stay alone and all other 73/320 need to be in the higher rate.
TL;DR our 739 pays more, not necessarily our 738 paying less if that makes sense. |
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3577182)
Our contract was set up a little different. When we had our JCBA our 737/738 was paid at a higher rate than our 320/319. As I understand it your 319/737 rate was based off our 319/320 rate and your 320/738 rate was based on our 737 7/8 rate. When we brought the 739 on property we negotiated a (slightly) higher pay rate for it in between the existing 737NG rate and our 757/767 rate. That rate then applied to the A321CEO. We were able to get 757/767 pay for the 321NEO. This contract would bring up 319/320 to the 738 pay rate.
TL;DR our 739 pays more, not necessarily our 738 paying less if that makes sense. |
Originally Posted by V22Plopter
(Post 3572764)
If SK having A350s on the book to prevent delta from getting them, would same aggression and logic work to pay UAL Pilot Group so much that it unbalances the DAL “Me 2” clause and company dynamics?
If he wanted to compete for pilots he could raise your DC higher or add in a qualifier that one month after DOS you get a me too off our newly adjusted rates from your DOS raise. |
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