Charleston, SC Commuting Feasibility
01-22-2023, 06:05 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
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Posts: 646
Originally Posted by JTwift
You could be done with initial training at UAL before your DL class date even arrives. I did have a few people either in my class or classes around me (that I knew personally) who left UAL for DL, but solely because they lived in ATL. It was 100% domicile related.
May as well start at UAL and then move to DL if you want to. You never know if something causes a slow/stoppage in hiring during those 90 potential days (unlikely, but stranger things have happened).
It sounds to me like you kind of want to end up at Delta, but there’s no harm starting at United and going from there.
Just looking at the ALPA Jumpseat finder, CHS to Newark has about 4 flights a day (Airbus during the week, mostly, mix on Weekends). Dulles is bad. ORD is pretty meh. Atlanta has like 6-7 flights, though, and I guess you could drive it in a pinch?
So…..
May as well start at UAL and then move to DL if you want to. You never know if something causes a slow/stoppage in hiring during those 90 potential days (unlikely, but stranger things have happened).
It sounds to me like you kind of want to end up at Delta, but there’s no harm starting at United and going from there.
Just looking at the ALPA Jumpseat finder, CHS to Newark has about 4 flights a day (Airbus during the week, mostly, mix on Weekends). Dulles is bad. ORD is pretty meh. Atlanta has like 6-7 flights, though, and I guess you could drive it in a pinch?
So…..
So CHS-WAS is currently 10 flights a day in low season.
EWR in April goes to 6 flights with 5 being mainline. LGA has 7 flights.
Commuting is always bad in terms of stress and time required compared to living in base. But DC is just as viable as ATL if willing to have flexibility.
01-22-2023, 08:14 AM
#22
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Really comes down to knowing what the seniority progression looks like. DAL has been hiring like mad for a good 10 years. I'm guessing most of the 12,000 - 13,000 they did hire will still be there in 20 years right in front of you on their list. Kind of sobering. UAL just went nuts hiring the last year or so, so maybe, just maybe there's something in there. Had a training partner recently who's dad was a very senior DAL CA and brought this point up to me. Son was in late 30's and referencing above numbers advised by dad to go to UAL instead of DAL. At least you have options.
01-22-2023, 10:26 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
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Originally Posted by coast in
Really comes down to knowing what the seniority progression looks like. DAL has been hiring like mad for a good 10 years. I'm guessing most of the 12,000 - 13,000 they did hire will still be there in 20 years right in front of you on their list. Kind of sobering. UAL just went nuts hiring the last year or so, so maybe, just maybe there's something in there. Had a training partner recently who's dad was a very senior DAL CA and brought this point up to me. Son was in late 30's and referencing above numbers advised by dad to go to UAL instead of DAL. At least you have options.
2004 - 0
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 392
2008 - 332
2009 - 0
2010 - 192
2011 - 0
2012 - 0
2013 - 0
2014 - 915
2015 - 958
2016 - 1206
2017 - 1082
2018 - 582
2019 - 492
2020 - 410
2021 - 0
2022 - 2392
Total last decade is 9319
But boy, has hiring been lumpy!
01-22-2023, 11:17 AM
#24
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 425
Originally Posted by 1215
Guess I should’ve clarified:
1) Sitting on CJOs from both with a UAL class date approximately 30-90 days sooner than when DL would have a class available.
2) My wife will make more than I will till I’m 8-10 years up the pay scales. Can’t move or don’t want to move is an irrelevant semantic. We’ll be in Charleston for the next decade at least.
3) I like the first pancake so I guess that makes me part of the 15%. Or you need to be better at making pancakes.
The conventional wisdom is take the first class date available. Since I’m sitting on two offers within a short span of time, it makes the decision a little more difficult, since both offer many unique positives.
1) Sitting on CJOs from both with a UAL class date approximately 30-90 days sooner than when DL would have a class available.
2) My wife will make more than I will till I’m 8-10 years up the pay scales. Can’t move or don’t want to move is an irrelevant semantic. We’ll be in Charleston for the next decade at least.
3) I like the first pancake so I guess that makes me part of the 15%. Or you need to be better at making pancakes.
The conventional wisdom is take the first class date available. Since I’m sitting on two offers within a short span of time, it makes the decision a little more difficult, since both offer many unique positives.
01-22-2023, 11:27 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 530
Originally Posted by TransWorld
2003 - 0 pilots hired
2004 - 0
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 392
2008 - 332
2009 - 0
2010 - 192
2011 - 0
2012 - 0
2013 - 0
2014 - 915
2015 - 958
2016 - 1206
2017 - 1082
2018 - 582
2019 - 492
2020 - 410
2021 - 0
2022 - 2392
Total last decade is 9319
But boy, has hiring been lumpy!
2004 - 0
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 392
2008 - 332
2009 - 0
2010 - 192
2011 - 0
2012 - 0
2013 - 0
2014 - 915
2015 - 958
2016 - 1206
2017 - 1082
2018 - 582
2019 - 492
2020 - 410
2021 - 0
2022 - 2392
Total last decade is 9319
But boy, has hiring been lumpy!
01-22-2023, 06:25 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Relaxed
Posts: 6,993
Originally Posted by TransWorld
2003 - 0 pilots hired
2004 - 0
2005 - 0 + 408
2006 - 0 + 495
2007 - 392 + 544
2008 - 332 + 110
2009 - 0
2010 - 192
2011 - 0
2012 - 0
2013 - 0
2014 - 915
2015 - 958
2016 - 1206
2017 - 1082
2018 - 582
2019 - 492
2020 - 410
2021 - 0
2022 - 2392
Total last decade is 9319
But boy, has hiring been lumpy!
2004 - 0
2005 - 0 + 408
2006 - 0 + 495
2007 - 392 + 544
2008 - 332 + 110
2009 - 0
2010 - 192
2011 - 0
2012 - 0
2013 - 0
2014 - 915
2015 - 958
2016 - 1206
2017 - 1082
2018 - 582
2019 - 492
2020 - 410
2021 - 0
2022 - 2392
Total last decade is 9319
But boy, has hiring been lumpy!
01-22-2023, 07:09 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 254
Originally Posted by TransWorld
2003 - 0 pilots hired
2004 - 0
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 392
2008 - 332
2009 - 0
2010 - 192
2011 - 0
2012 - 0
2013 - 0
2014 - 915
2015 - 958
2016 - 1206
2017 - 1082
2018 - 582
2019 - 492
2020 - 410
2021 - 0
2022 - 2392
Total last decade is 9319
But boy, has hiring been lumpy!
2004 - 0
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 392
2008 - 332
2009 - 0
2010 - 192
2011 - 0
2012 - 0
2013 - 0
2014 - 915
2015 - 958
2016 - 1206
2017 - 1082
2018 - 582
2019 - 492
2020 - 410
2021 - 0
2022 - 2392
Total last decade is 9319
But boy, has hiring been lumpy!
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