evodiver

False

False, MP has never used that provision.

No.

JTwift

you’re extremely short sighted. I’ll say this again, for the 18th time. We should all want reserve rules that are so good that it goes senior! Why do you want to be 63, flying 90 hour lines? Make the junior people do that. Proper reserve should be desirable, not one of the circles of hell.

or, if you DO want to fly a line, having good reserve rules means that people can upgrade without having to wait for retirements/growth/deaths, which means all the spots are filled, which means more captains to fly/trade with/etc.

why can’t people see this? Am I taking crazy pills?

KSwift76

The beauty of this is we can disagree on what works best for us ...then we each get a vote. Senior reserve or not ...when the phone rings I always get the look and eye roll from my wife. I hate it. But not so much that I wouldn't do it for WB Captain pay😁. Choices. I waited 2 additional years to upgrade because I didn't want to commute to EWR reserve with my oldest playing HS sports. Wanted to be home. When I could hold it in base I upgraded. I personally don't want to waste too much negotiating capital on it, especially as a non commuter. We each get one vote. Maybe we will have something to vote on by the end of the year.

By the way, UAL is my 5th airline so I've tasted lots of different reserves pre bankruptcy era and pre 9/11, pre 117, pre and post great recession. It always sucks. I finally have enough seniority to not have to embrace the suck. Now give me my money!💰. Be it in the form of work rules, vacation pay, training pay, retro(or whatever they call the tranches we will get) etc....

ReadOnly7

This particular rule was the best PART of reserve at XJT. If you’ve ever spent any appreciable amount of time on reserve (I’ve spent 10 years on it), then you would know that your whole goal is to either work your butt off, or hardly work at all. Nobody’ wants to fly 73 hours and get paid for 73. The rule I’m describing allows you to hustle and get WITHIN guarantee….,and then it’s the company’s money to use or lose after that. At the current UPA, I know within the first 6 days whether I’m hustling or hoping to not be used. There’s NO incentive to be productive.

Zoomie

I'm not saying we cave by any means, but...some perspective is in order.

Do everyone realize with DLs signed rates today, in 8 months on Jan 1 2024, All Delta NB CAs will be getting paid the exact payrates our our current WB CAs make today if we don't have a contract ($352/hr at year 12 pay)?

How many WB CAs can get 80-90 hrs? Do you want to get the equivalent of WB CA pay at the end of the year? Granted, if you're senior enough, you'll have the ability to make much more an hour $438/hr for WB guys.

What's currently on the table means that the pay of a WB CA today could be ours in 8 months for all our NB CAs, with the much easier ability to get 90+ hrs of credit if your a money *****. In a year and 8 months, anyone who's a NB CA at that point will be making 4% more pay to the WB CAs currently being paid today and with a much more flexible schedule than a WB CA.

I also want to hear what good deals there are at other companies that make Reserve go senior and/or better.
I actually believe it when guys say this, but besides the "rolling thunder" deal at Delta (which I don't think DLs management envisioned and from what I understand will all but go away with their new Contract), I haven't heard much good. I honestly don't understand the rolling thunder deal at Delta, but it's one of those "good deal" things that only helps an extreme minority of pilots who get lucky, which I don't support those types of "carve outs".

I want some gains for reserves as well. I would love to see reserve go senior too. I just haven't seen any proposals or examples where it does go senior.
Let's hear what JB and Spirit and "regional X" and DL have that are better. Is there anything that we have at United that is better on reserve? That's another great ?

glassnpowder98

Finishing a trip at 2300, getting a call on your drive home that you’ll be on short call at 1400, only to be released early for field standby the next day. Upgrade they say, it’ll be fun, they say

Hedley

A very large part of those who won’t upgrade would be solid line holders. It’s not all about reserve.

The really senior make more as WB FO’s while working fewer days and not nearly as hard. Others don’t want to give up seniority, control of their schedules, and sacrifice time with their families. Being a captain just isn’t that big of a deal. It has become pretty clear that today’s pilot would rather work fewer days for the same money on a WB, or make less yet have control of their schedules and a life outside of this job. I don’t know that a contract will change that. People will simply make a little more to continue their current plan. I say more power to them.

Otterbox

Standing WB Captain bid? You should be leading the charge to improve reserve rules… improving reserve rules will increase staffing requirements. Example, eliminating rolled days off on global reserve will increase staffing requirements and more widebody CA vacancies (6 rollable days is 20% of a month). Increasing reserve call out times, eliminating involuntary FSB, limiting short call conversions… all increase staffing requirements thus increase widebody CA vacancies and allowing you to be at the top of the pay scale sooner and for longer.

ninerdriver

9E when I left:
Long call was pretty much long call. Escalation to short call was rare, because it paid at least six hours as add pay. Every assignment as escalated short call paid 150%, all as add pay. All call-outs were minimum 12 hours, including escalations to short call (not 10 hours, like here). Long calls could not be assigned ready reserve (FSB).

Short call was by line and defined as 5am-7pm or 10am-12am. You could bid for one or the other by seniority. All had auto-release provisions on the last day, so even the 10am short call lines were commutable on your last day if you were unused.

Both long call and short call had contractual call me first/call me last bid options. Within a silo, call me first would be called in seniority order. Once they were gone, call me last would be called in inverse seniority order.

Ready reserve (FSB) is gone now at 9E. When it was there, it was contractually assigned in inverse seniority order, regardless of silo. It contractually could only be assigned to short calls. Senior reserves usually didn't get it at all. Contractually, no more than two ready reserves could sit in the same category at the same airport at the same time. Pilots could volunteer for late ready reserve (1pm start) on day one or early ready reserve (1pm finish) on last day, and that contractually would be awarded in seniority order.

What's agreed to now hardly fixes anything at all. Open items could help, depending on how well defined they are in a TA.

threeighteen

Fix reserve and there will be more opportunities for premium flying, schedule trading, etc.

Fixing reserve benefits everyone, not just reservists.