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Otterbox 05-19-2023 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3638915)
There was never a randomness this past year to United's hiring department bizarrely skipping past plenty of qualified candidates over these no degree, low time, zero to hero ULCC/ACMI scrubs. They don’t want new hire pilots on property who know their worth.

The next step will be matching low costs carrier crew uniforms. Then the real United next, uneducated pilots flying low cost carrier pay rates charging legacy ticket prices. That’s Scotty boys actual definition of “competitive”.

Once AA regional 50 seat RJ CAs started making $600+/hr and LCAs started making $1200+/hr in premium pay those wells pretty much dried up. Other regionals worked to match pay so UAL started prioritizing hiring from their next best sources of pilots that hurt the competition… AA and DAL regional FOs and ULCC FOs.

CRJJ 05-19-2023 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3638931)
You assumed incorrectly.

So did you.

BobbyLeeSwagger 05-19-2023 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3638933)
Once AA regional 50 seat RJ CAs started making $600+/hr and LCAs started making $1200+/hr in premium pay........

I think when this happened ALL pilots knew their worth a little more

DownWithNarita 05-19-2023 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3638931)
You assumed incorrectly.

I doubt it.

Finessed 05-19-2023 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3638930)
I think folks that came up quickly know their worth maybe even more than previous gens.

From my personal experience with the bright FO’s I’ve flown with at DL, the pilots who spent some time being abused out of the left seat at some scrub regional have a very strong stance on the importance of work rules. They’re educated and they’ve been through the wringer on scheduling abuse. So when your boss slides in 5am reserve day one, they comprehend the tremendous quality of life grab.

Otterbox 05-19-2023 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3638936)
I think when this happened ALL pilots knew their worth a little more

Wish that was the case but there are still NB CAs thinking they’re hot **** for picking up premium at $400/hr during contract negotiations and pilots tripping over themselves to become LCPs for an extra $27/hr…

Finessed 05-19-2023 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by DownWithNarita (Post 3638937)
I doubt it.

Oh I’m sure you do. “zero to hero” candidates are
those 12 month student pilot to ATP programs. Total
crap JV check mark training.

BobbyLeeSwagger 05-19-2023 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3638940)
Wish that was the case but there are still NB CAs thinking they’re hot **** for picking up premium at $400/hr during contract negotiations and pilots tripping over themselves to become LCPs for an extra $27/hr…

Fair point.

Finessed 05-19-2023 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3638933)
Once AA regional 50 seat RJ CAs started making $600+/hr and LCAs started making $1200+/hr in premium pay those wells pretty much dried up. Other regionals worked to match pay so UAL started prioritizing hiring from their next best sources of pilots that hurt the competition… AA and DAL regional FOs and ULCC FOs.

The wells DID NOT dry up. They just didn’t want to hire from their own regional wells. Anything to save their regional model right Otterbox? Let’s defend the scrub hiring to save the contract flying.

CRJJ 05-19-2023 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3638947)
The wells DID NOT dry up. They just didn’t want to hire from their own regional wells. Anything to save their regional model right Otterbox? Let’s defend the scrub hiring to save the contract flying.

Let’s see, you brilliant arrogant God. Where do you think LCCs and ACMIs get pilots from? You think we don’t have pilots from UA/AA own regionals? left/right seat, degree/no degree….
I don’t care if you’ve been flying for 5 or 35 years, and if you have a PhD in Astrophysics, be humble.


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