8 Billion Dollars
06-14-2023 | 09:01 AM
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06-14-2023 | 09:03 AM
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06-14-2023 | 09:10 AM
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Kirby has been lying publicly about the contract for over a year… nothing new. $8 Billion over 4 years wouldn’t bring even bring UAL up to Delta standard work rules. Need $12 Billion over two to be truly industry leading…
06-14-2023 | 10:45 AM
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take the middle school rhetoric down, just a tad. This isn’t heroes and villains… It’s a guy who has a fiduciary responsibility to the board, and some fairly highly paid tradespeople who have leverage right now and are determined not to squander it.
most of us have been through bad times in this industry… These are not bad times.
06-14-2023 | 11:11 AM
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I don’t think he’s ever lied… he has just had some pretty bad information coming from management pilots about what pilots actually want from this contract. all the quotes that paint him in a bad light have come as secondhand information from LEC reps and re-posts.
take the middle school rhetoric down, just a tad. This isn’t heroes and villains… It’s a guy who has a fiduciary responsibility to the board, and some fairly highly paid tradespeople who have leverage right now and are determined not to squander it.
most of us have been through bad times in this industry… These are not bad times.
take the middle school rhetoric down, just a tad. This isn’t heroes and villains… It’s a guy who has a fiduciary responsibility to the board, and some fairly highly paid tradespeople who have leverage right now and are determined not to squander it.
most of us have been through bad times in this industry… These are not bad times.
Kirby isn’t a villain but he’s seemingly losing sight of how important happy labor is to his plans. Tumi should’ve resulted in an absolute corporate bloodbath of anyone who touched it, both at the ALPA level and at the company. We’ve cleaned house for the most part, Kirby is continuing on with the same yes drones that gave him tumi. They’re holding our pass backs for months. This is treading beyond fiduciary duty towards exploiting a cheaper labor group for another few months. At this stage of the game I think he’s at minimum painting a rosier picture than reality. Dishonest, borderline lying.
06-14-2023 | 12:13 PM
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We are fighting for what will become the baseline when they come to strip stuff away in bad times.
Kirby isn’t a villain but he’s seemingly losing sight of how important happy labor is to his plans. Tumi should’ve resulted in an absolute corporate bloodbath of anyone who touched it, both at the ALPA level and at the company. We’ve cleaned house for the most part, Kirby is continuing on with the same yes drones that gave him tumi. They’re holding our pass backs for months. This is treading beyond fiduciary duty towards exploiting a cheaper labor group for another few months. At this stage of the game I think he’s at minimum painting a rosier picture than reality. Dishonest, borderline lying.
Kirby isn’t a villain but he’s seemingly losing sight of how important happy labor is to his plans. Tumi should’ve resulted in an absolute corporate bloodbath of anyone who touched it, both at the ALPA level and at the company. We’ve cleaned house for the most part, Kirby is continuing on with the same yes drones that gave him tumi. They’re holding our pass backs for months. This is treading beyond fiduciary duty towards exploiting a cheaper labor group for another few months. At this stage of the game I think he’s at minimum painting a rosier picture than reality. Dishonest, borderline lying.
most of us still feel pretty content at work and I imagine our NPS reflects that. Most people I fly with do not pass around the cups of vitriol that exist here and are waiting for the actual TA to assess the state of our management team. At that point, if we get a mediocre QOL improvements with penny-for-penny delta rates (a la AA’s deal) I think it will get voted down, then perhaps heads will start rolling… Luckily, I think our MEC has a very good idea of what our group wants, and that we are unified in our resolve to extract every thing we can out of this contract cycle.
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