Almost 29 years ago. Been here for 27.

Definitely sucks, but they will give you an honest shot on round two, so just keep at what your doing and apply everywhere.

You did everything right. I can understand the circles of what ifs spinning around in your head. Google Scott Kirby American Airlines trans. Second try, base your TMAT answers on these images.

I care, so i’ll give you a link.

https://twitter.com/JoshYoder/status...59846464786433

Yes, I got turned down last April and will re-apply soon. Was FO at a regional at the time though.

Same story as you. Only ever wanted to go to UA. OO for 3 years now currently at WN. Interviewed at UA November 2022 and was denied. I told one bad story and knew it was over. Reapplied in November 2023, interviewed several weeks ago and got the CJO. The year wait to reapply was absolutely painful. I checked back every month to see if the 1 year rule had changed. If UA is what you want just be patient and go for it again. Best of luck to you.

I interviewed 1 year, 4 months ago and got the TBNT. I have a perfectly clean record and am currently at a ULCC. I've gotten every job I've ever interviewed for. I prepped hard for the interview and did interview prep. My last session of prep, the person doing the prep (who happened to just have retired from United as a person who worked in pilot hiring) said that he would have given me a job right then and there and that I would more than likely get the job. Got to Denver and the interview did not go well at all. Was the most awkard, uncomfortable interview I've ever had. The pilot who did my interview was not friendly in the least and I felt like he had something against me from the get-go. It was super weird. Got the TBNT and the email said I could reapply in 1 year. Anyway, since it's been over a year, I tried to reapply recently using the application I previously filled out and this is the message I got when I logged in:

Thank you for your interest in United. After careful consideration of your application, we regret we are unable to further consider you for our selection process at this time. Although we are not in a position to provide you specific feedback on your application, we appreciate you keeping United Airlines in mind and wish you the best in your career, wherever it takes you.

Pilot Hiring Programs

So I just started a new application using all my same info and it seems to have worked. Has anybody gotten this mesage? Made me think at first I could not reapply.

Also, my friend just set up a Meet the Chief, but I see someone just mentioned that I can't do a MTC with a previously failed interview?

Failed Hogans?? I thought it wasn't possible to pass or fail it.

Also, 2 on here have mentioned "telling one bad story." What exactly does that mean?? Telling a story that paints you in a poor light?? Rambling on needlessly about a checkride failure instead of just owning what happened and moving on??

If you started a new app and it worked, go with it. My application still says “locked for review” and I’ve been here for a year. As long as it let you start a new application you should be golden.

All that said, you need to take a look at yourself a bit. The interview isn’t just about the answers that you give, but the total package. If you have a weak(er) application and a mediocre hogan score, you might have an uphill climb in the interview.

Your entire post reeks of immaturity, lack of accountability, and entitlement. A summed up interpretation from an outsider is basically:

“I’m a rockstar interviewer who’s gotten every lower tier job I’ve ever interviewed for during the largest “walk in and fog a mirror” hiring environment there ever was. Even my ex United hiring coach (which means nothing by the way. There are a lot of interview prep companies filled with ex United hiring personnel. Most of us have used them also. Your prep wasn’t “special”) said I was as awesome as I think I am.

I went to the interview and they clearly didn’t see my awesomeness. I didn’t like the way they treated me while I was a guest in their facility trying to sell myself to them. Clearly they weren’t aware that *they* are the ones that should have been honored for *me* to be in their presence. I think I’ll give them a second chance and apply again. Hopefully I can get to a meet and greet with a more reasonable chief pilot who will recognize the greatness that sits in front of him.”

Now, I’m not saying that is what you really meant, really believe, or an indication of who you really are as a person. But, that’s how you’re coming across to others with that post. Unfortunately, in an interview, how you come across to others is what matters. Even when you’re not being “interviewed” you’re still being interviewed. The gate agents who check you in for your flight to the interview, the flight attendants, the front desk person at the hotel, the other pilots, check pilots, and instructors in the cafeteria after you check in, the recruiter giving you the tour and pep talk… They are all watching you. Heck. Even treat your fellow interviewees as a potential make or break situation. American was well known back in the day to plant a “mole” in the interview group posing as a fellow interviewee.

If your interviewer really did have a bad taste in his mouth about you from the get-go, it’s because of something you did, said, or presented yourself at another point in the process. They aren’t just going to be angry because your smile wasn’t big enough. Possibility #2 is that it was just their own personality and you, as the one interviewing, needed to adapt to an unexpected situation and you failed to. The last and more likely possibility is that his demeanor was part of the interview. He tried to rattle you and see how you responded.. You failed the test.

FWIW my interview was very sterile. They were professional and overall pleasant enough, but it definitely came across that they were tired of being there. It certainly wasn’t all high fives, bro hugs, and butt slaps like some people expect it to be. I walked out feeling like it wasn’t my best interview performance and would definitely be getting the TBNT. The opposite ended up happening.

Again, I’m not saying that you really are any of what I said above. It’s just how you’re coming across. It’s simply harsh criticism of your presentation. Not necessarily the real you. Look inward and work on that because interviewers pick up on tiny cues that could make or break you.

I really do wish you the best of luck if you get the meet and greet.

Hogans were very much pass or fail until early 2022. No pass = no interview. You had two opportunities to pass. It seems that currently, the hogan is looked at during the hiring review board that takes place after the interview prior to sending out CJO/TBNT. An applicant gets two opportunities to interview with United (including their aviate interview) If the second is unsuccessful, plan for a career somewhere else.

Not currently, but it was in the past. It used to be a pretty large hurdle to actually getting the interview. There was a point in time, I think around early-mid 2022 when United opened their doors a bit wider, that they started reaching out to people who had previously been denied an interview by way of failing the hogan and allowed them to come in and interview. I don’t know exactly how it worked, but I assume their original hogan score simply became part of their final package score like it does now.

I told a story where I made a decision as a captain. According to my company policy (and common sense) I made the right decision. The pilot interviewing me did NOT like what I decided. He questioned me about it and I stood by what I did. I knew from his facial expression he had made his decision on me. When we got into the technical, he asked some pretty ridiculous questions. He was also blatantly and 100% wrong on a question he asked me about getting vectored off a SID (I verified by reading the FAA 7110 and asking controller friends). When asked to debrief he even doubled down on the fact that I was wrong. I don’t blame him for not getting hired, because I should not have told the story I did. The second time I interviewed I told the most conservative and boring stories possible. And it worked.