Implementation questions
 

What’s everyone’s take on implementation? Seems like reserve rules is august 2024 for most of it? Will it be manual till then? Add pay for rolling done manually till then? Bidding changes in pbs for splitting HDO? Was confusing and didn’t like it not being on summary etc

it’s spelled out in the red line version…

I like that they tied the accelerated upgrade course for new hires to implementation of a lot of QOL items. Smart thinking.

You won't be splitting HDOs until January 2024. You will get 3 hours of add pay in the meantime for your troubles.

Not really. They can't start left seat training until late summer 2024, if I'm reading it correctly. Take into consideration that the positions have to go unfilled, have to show up in a class drop, be assigned, and the pilot has to fly as FO for 350 hours, this provision really goes into effect upon DOS. The pilot wouldn't be able to start training until summer 2024 anyway. The company's pipeline problem is effectively fixed right away. The implementation date of that provision is not a win. Looks smart to you. Smarter would have been that the positions can't show up in drops until every single one of the improvements that benefits the pilot group is implemented first. Even smarter would have been to have not agreed to this provision in the first place.

the way it reads, is they can’t even use the provision to assign the slots until the rest of the contract provisions are implemented.

So the earliest indoc class that will fall under this invol captain provision is next year.

Company has to release all seat locks and allow probation pilots to bid CA on the specific vacancy bid before they can use this clause once implemented.

Item #1197879 in Appendix A of the of redline version says they cannot start training until AUG 24. I could be wrong but I take that to mean the left seat training.

ALL seat locks? Like people could bid back and forth from 737fo to a320 fo every 3 months?

8-D-6 Prior to utilizing Section 8-C-8 to assign an unfilled narrowbody fleet Captain vacancy to a New Hire, existing freezes will be lifted for Pilots bidding into those categories for that bid. When these existing freezes are lifted, Probationary Pilots will also be eligible to bid on such vacancies for that bid. In the event that the Company chooses not to lift existing freezes to fill unfilled narrowbody fleet Captain vacancies, those vacancies will be cancelled for that Category when the award is final.

what that effectively means is that everyone else should have gotten a chance to bid NBCA before assigning it to new hires.

but why does this provision exist at all if they were so confident that the QOL and reserve improvements will motivate people to upgrade?

ALPA didn’t push hard enough for reserve rules and QOL increases and the company knows that ALPA left money on the table. ALPA is more confident than the company that vacancies will be filled.

exactly - and we are permanently giving up leverage. Don’t expect any more QOL improvements any time soon - if ever.

So the lifted seat locks would allow 320ca to 737ca bids under two years and wbca to nbca bids under two years. That doesn’t seem particularly profound

will also allow any fo down/lateral bids (ie 777 fo to 787 fo or 777 fo to 756 fo) to now bid 737/320 CA where as they would not have been able to before due to a bidding freeze.

Under the current UPA, any FO can always upgrade:

8-D-1-d An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered
Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay
band, pursuant to the bands described below:
1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
2) 767/757FO
3) 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 777CA, 787CA, 350CA

no they can’t always upgrade under the current contract.

take look at 8-D-2 which covers bidding freezes.

if you lateral bid (ie 737 fo to 320 fo or 787 fo to 777 fo ) or down bid you to are restricted from bidding on any vacancies except CA on your current aircraft for a period of 36 months (if no base change) or 24 months (with base change)

So under the current contract if you bid 777 FO to 787 FO you would be restricted from bidding anything other than 787 CA until your bidding freeze was up.

the new contract would require these freezes be removed to allow this pilot to bud 737 CA before a new hire could be offered a narrow body CA spot.

It’s already been explained above about who can bid, but lifting people’s freezes in my opinion won’t move the needle much. Given the environment for the last few years, those people will have likely had the opportunity anyway.

_IF_ the new contract makes captain more desirable, lifting the freeze could shake a few more people out of the trees.

Not on probation they can't or without 500 hrs current book. 8-D-6 will allow anyone the opportunity to take the upgrade before one who may have been hired into another fleet 756,777,787 or not gotten the bid in indoc. Before a new hire can get it as part of the accelerate upgrade program. 2500 probation pilots who don't have the opportunity today to bid it would get the choice before any one is forced.

Are reserves
getting add pay for rolling days off or is that not till august 2024? I was told it wouldn’t be automated till then but that’s not how it reads to me