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Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher
(Post 3693522)
It’s a financial penalty to the company to prevent them from freezing an LCAs trip (preventing a trade) and then not assigning a student.
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Originally Posted by SNA320
(Post 3692881)
For those of you new to the negotiation game, realize that most items the union negotiates are meant to be manpower positive. The 95 hour cap, while on initial look seems like a concession, is actually an item that is manpower positive for the overall pilot group. While it is financially advantageous to be able to double dip on the months one calls in sick, picking up a trip later in the month requires less reserves to staff a base. This new 95 hour cap should discourage picking up trips and drive the need for more pilots to cover that flying. Look at the big picture folks!
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Originally Posted by evodiver
(Post 3693586)
So if I get sick during a rare "good month", in the new contract I could get a WOP that costs $6,000 out my take home pay, but that's good for the pilot that's never been hired? Sweet. love your logic. Pay caps for everyone!
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Originally Posted by DownSideUp
(Post 3693592)
Tell me you didn’t read new section 13-A-3-b without telling me you didn’t read section 13-A-3-b.
SMH That part? |
Originally Posted by evodiver
(Post 3693603)
13-A-3-b-(2) A Pilot may not be paid more than ninety-five (95) Base Sick Hours in any Bid Period in which sick leave or ESB is debited to bring the Pilot to ninety-five (95) Base Sick Hours. Base Sick Hours accrued in excess of ninety-five (95) hours in a Bid Period shall first be applied to restore any sick leave or ESB used during the Bid Period on an hour-for-hour basis. Once all sick leave and ESB has been restored, the Pilot’s Base Sick Hours may continue to accrue beyond ninety-five (95) hours.
That part? Now quote the part where you aren’t getting compensated? |
Originally Posted by DownSideUp
(Post 3693609)
Yep, that part.
Now quote the part where you aren’t getting compensated? You don't have to to try to sell this contract, but at least have a fair discussion to the pros and cons. Seems we had a fairly large problem with that on the last contract. You sound like the guys that argued that an MPG reduction was not a pay cut.. |
Originally Posted by evodiver
(Post 3693614)
The part where you are not getting paid for the trip that was on your line. You aren't getting debited sick time, but you also are not getting paid.
You don't have to to try to sell this contract, but at least have a fair discussion to the pros and cons. Seems we had a fairly large problem with that on the last contract. You sound like the guys that argued that an MPG reduction was not a pay cut.. Let’s agree to disagree. |
Originally Posted by DownSideUp
(Post 3693621)
Not at all. Where I see sick time going back into your bank as compensation, you elect to see it as money being taken from you. I’ll simply take my debited sick time at a time of my choosing.
Let’s agree to disagree. So yeah we can disagree about our definition of a negotiated benefit. Cheers. PS. Id be much more understanding on a negotiated cap on sick leave if the company offered some form of buyout for it. |
Originally Posted by evodiver
(Post 3693630)
That's just because the company and the Union say that sick leave is a negotiated benefit. The company can't have it both way's, say it's valuable during negotiations, then say it's not a negotiated benefit when you want to use it. In fact this California Kin care is a demonstration of that, and even the union didn't get it right in the contract. CA kin care is not 30 hours a year, its 1/2 of your allotted sick time. So by our new contract, 36 hours is our new usage but the union said the other bases get 30. They are flat out ignorant of the law.
So yeah we can disagree about our definition of a negotiated benefit. Cheers. PS. Id be much more understanding on a negotiated cap on sick leave if the company offered some form of buyout for it. And, let this be a lesson to ALL UAL pilots, don’t leave this place with ANY sick leave in your bank. Have a plan and execute it to use this valuable benefit. |
Originally Posted by DownSideUp
(Post 3693664)
Again, agree.
And, let this be a lesson to ALL UAL pilots, don’t leave this place with ANY sick leave in your bank. Have a plan and execute it to use this valuable benefit. |
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