Bye Bye ,Leverage
09-06-2023 | 05:30 PM
#31
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Council 33 FO Rep Mario Martins’ piece on this TA nails it. I urge everyone who has not read it to do so. I entered this AIP/TA with full optimism and a sense of urgency based on where we stand from an economic cycle perspective. Sadly, I am a hard “no” on this TA. I won’t be complicit in what I view as an assault on the foundation of our careers. Section 8 amounts to a cancer that threatens to consume us from the inside out.
09-06-2023 | 07:28 PM
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And what exactly did we get for that high price? Point to any single item in the TA that is industry leading. We got marginally improved work rules in some areas and concessions in others. This leverage will be squandered for nothing.
09-07-2023 | 12:18 PM
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) I submit that the profit sharing coming up to Delta's AND making it pensionable might be worth as much as 1.5 Billion dollars over the course of the contract. So, even though it may not be industry leading, it is far, far superior to what you had and had a price tag associated with it.That's why it's called negotiations, not ultimatums.
09-07-2023 | 09:12 PM
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Agree with the sentiment that caused the start of this thread, and I also don’t see how the NC “sold high”. Our rates, DC, etc. were thankfully a product of the market, not us negotiating for them. Of course this was after we dodged a bullet shot at us by a squad of dunces; but our work rules continue to be inadequate. Be it a negative change in how sick time works, or the wholly terrible global reserve rules that it seems every reserve will soon endure. The goal of distracting this pilot group again with a few dollars while assaulting various corners of the related sections appears to have worked according to what I assume was the plan. Pilots tripping over a few bucks at the expense of solid language is a real shame. SK sleeps well tonight.
09-07-2023 | 10:20 PM
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As an outsider (and my pet project) I submit that the profit sharing coming up to Delta's AND making it pensionable might be worth as much as 1.5 Billion dollars over the course of the contract. So, even though it may not be industry leading, it is far, far superior to what you had and had a price tag associated with it.
That's why it's called negotiations, not ultimatums.
) I submit that the profit sharing coming up to Delta's AND making it pensionable might be worth as much as 1.5 Billion dollars over the course of the contract. So, even though it may not be industry leading, it is far, far superior to what you had and had a price tag associated with it.That's why it's called negotiations, not ultimatums.
09-08-2023 | 06:14 AM
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Agree with the sentiment that caused the start of this thread, and I also don’t see how the NC “sold high”. Our rates, DC, etc. were thankfully a product of the market, not us negotiating for them. Of course this was after we dodged a bullet shot at us by a squad of dunces; but our work rules continue to be inadequate. Be it a negative change in how sick time works, or the wholly terrible global reserve rules that it seems every reserve will soon endure. The goal of distracting this pilot group again with a few dollars while assaulting various corners of the related sections appears to have worked according to what I assume was the plan. Pilots tripping over a few bucks at the expense of solid language is a real shame. SK sleeps well tonight.
09-08-2023 | 06:17 AM
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09-08-2023 | 06:28 AM
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Absolutely. We started it with the Azores and it’s going to spread. You see those Lingus 321s over here? Iceland Maxes? How about Westjet’s Max up in EDI or CDG? JetBlue is launching over the pond now. It’s coming.
09-09-2023 | 06:56 AM
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Weakness and lack of unionist philosophy at APA and within AA. The abject failure of AA pilots to raise the bar in this negotiating environment marks them as pariahs and freeloaders.
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