Just know that you received more gov'ment assistance than any welfare recipient ever. Suckin the gov't teet. On the dole. After 9-11, the government formed the ATSB to dole out loan guarantees to airlines. United was denied. Bankruptcy followed. The carnage was legendary. From 102,000 employees at the end of 2000, to 46,000 at merger announcement in 2010. Like I said.... thanks be to the gov'ment.

I will bet my next paycheck that United does not have 28,000 pilots by 2030.

I would bet my next paycheck that United does not have 25,000 pilots by 2030.

I would bet $100 to your charity of choice that United does not organically have 20,000 pilots by 2030.

Except we have 800 firm orders for aircraft, of which, 150 are 787s that require more pilots to operate. So we have to staff them somehow. We’ve hired 5,000 pilots since May 2021, so I think its totally possible to get to 28,000 by 2030. Even with 5,000+ hires in 2 years, we have over 1,000 unfilled vacancy bids on the last bid and each of the last 2 new hire classes had 7 737 CA positions for new hires.

Also they are finishing a new building (H Building) at the training center that has 12 sim bays and 150,000 sqft of classroom space, and then breaking ground on another one as well (I building) (not to mention the land just purchased at DEN airport).

So if United isn’t going to ramp up, and we could hire 2,500 a year with the current training center, why add 2 more buildings and 24 more sim bays if we aren’t planning growth.

Where will we get the pilots? Last weeks class had 7 pilots that left FedEx, so I believe they will just come from other airlines.

You guys are ridiculous. 800 firm orders, but you currently have the oldest fleet in the US. You will park as many airplanes as you take delivery of in the next 7 years. United doesn't have the gate space/slots in any of the major airports in the world to support 200 more airplanes, let alone 800.

Just let that phony keep drinking the rhapsody blue kool-aid. Obviously he/she spends all their days in the training center surrounded by the propaganda 24/7. Facts and reality don’t really exist in charm school. SK really does have some of these fools on a leash.

28k seems aspirational but 1) do you think UAL will not order any further aircraft between now and 2030 and 2) if we can train well over 2k newhires/yr now is another dozen sims a vanity project? That building is built with 2 sims running already. I see 22k+ easily in 6 years and the crystal ball is fuzzy after that but it’s all gravy.

Inorganic growth by onshoring sub-100 seat jets is a real possibility.

But setting that aside, 3% annual growth will take united to 20K by 2030. That's less than long-term air travel growth trends.

Yes there will be some retirements. About 200 older planes would be replaced with newer planes. Older 757s , A319/320 and 767-300 replaced with MAX 10, A321-XLR/NEO and 787s. The rest are growth or replacing 440 Regional Jets, which is the bulk of the domestic growth as that flying is brought in-house. Those planes will be parked wherever the RJs are parked now and fly routes the RJs currently fly or flew going from 600 to about 160 RJs total at express. Up-gauging and taking back more domestic RJ flying is the big plan domestically. Also they said there are 100+ more International routes they want to fly but we don't have the planes/pilots to do it. There will also be more pilot bases opened. They expect DEN to go to 900 departures a day, including more international. Also another 777 base opening, either LAX or DEN according to Ankit, who runs the network.

But its all a plan and who knows, but when we can currently hire and train 2,500 a year, and adding a building with 12 sims (2 are open and the rest open in December or January) plus another building that will have 12 more sims, I wonder why they need 24 more sim spaces if we aren't going to grow organically.

Nobody knows what will really happen, but I suspect it will be closer to 28,000 pilots than 20,000 because we don't need any more training capacity to get to 20,000. We could be at 20,000 pilots in 2 years at the current hiring pace, including retirements.

If you look at the post history of the person you’re replying to, you will see half of their posts are denigrating UA in some way. He is at American so he has that going for him 😂

Some AA and DAL dudes come in here and love to take a dump all over the place. I don’t get it but it’s usually the same DBs every time. I can’t remember the last time I went to the AA or DAL section of this site, these guys must have absolutely nothing else going on in their lives.

Time will tell on hiring but I think we could see 20k sometime in 2025, economy permitting. Don’t worry, the same a-holes will still be getting fresh about that when it happens…