What are UL competitve mins?
 

I'm closing in on 1500 with about 700 of that turbine time. Wondering if I have a chance?

Biggest factor will be who you work for and does UAL hurt a competitor by hiring you away... if so then you're competitive enough, especially after a job fair. If not, keep plugging away or go get hired at a UAL competitor, or their feeder.

more info here

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/u...ring-mins.html

Based on your previous posts, you aren’t competitive at the moment for a legacy carrier, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t apply.

750 is the auto trigger for a review of your app.

Deltas calling people with 1900TT. Not now very soon. Non military too I'll add. Regular dudes who are non box checkers.

That's not nearly enough information to make an educated guess but even then, why does it matter? Are you trying to make an upgrade and stay or leave and be a FO decision?

Your chances are exactly 0% until you put your application in and meet the application minimums. If you have 1500 hours but that's all from the blue angels and space shuttle, you're the CEO's favorite nephew with a 4.0 GPA from Harvard and you have the charm of Ryan Seacrest in the interview room yeah you have a better chance at getting hired immediately. If you're at 1500 hours with 10 checkride busts your chances are slim. Anything in between is going to be "it depends". Nobody knows what exactly the magic fomula is, all you'll get is thirdhand, "I heard someone had this many hours when they got hired" with zero context of what that particular candidate's resume looked like or how they did in the interview. All you can do is fly more, improve your resume by checking as many boxes as possible, keep updating your apps, work on interview prep, go to the meet and greets and eventually you'll get the call.

The mods should sticky this reply to the top. It's the most accurate answer to an unanswerable quetion, especially when insufficient background information supplied. It's a question that gets asked over, and over, and over.

This guy was asking the same questions over on the Delta forum a couple weeks ago. Entertaining read. Guess he didn't like the answers he got over there.

Oddly enough, everyone except me told him who cares, apply anyhow, and patted him on the head. I told him it was unlikely he'd get hired with those quals and got shouted down.

I'm going off all his previous posts on the subject. Being at the bare minimums with no 121/mil, etc. does not make you competive, but it doesn't mean you won't get called, either. It just means that you are at the mins with little additional feathers in your cap, which most people getting hired are not.

Still have a chance?
 

Hi Guys,
My question is along the same lines. I am a 3200 Hr 135/91 guy with lots of PIC turbine and a good amount of PIC jet but no 121. I put in an app about 4 weeks ago and haven't heard a thing. Am i competitive yet in the current environment? Should i just keep updateing it and see what happens? Thanks.

it’s the holiday season. Yes, you’re competitive. Be patient.

Youre competitive. You'll just need to do something to get their attention. Go to a job fair, or go work for a competitor of that doesn't work.

This. Show your face.

Define 'lots of turbine PIC' and a 'good amount of PIC jet'? How much 135 time? What type or aircraft? They like 500 hrs TPIC and REALLY like 1000 hrs TPIC. But in general those candidates are getting hired quicker. Hopefully you have apps in to a half dozen operators who'd be better destination jobs than your current gig?

With 3200 hrs and enough applications out you should be contacted unless there's stuff you're holding back. Maybe not the carrier of your choice but a resume improving, and possible destination job, should find you in the near term. But 4 weeks since you applied is a short time. A regional might call you in a week but that doesn't mean the majors rate your resume as highly as they're getting plenty of 3000+ hr applications.

Thanks for the feedback. I've got around 1800TPIC ( a mix of CItation XL, King Air 350 and Pilatus PC6 ) and about 800Hr 135. I've got apps in at several places. Sounds like I just need to be patient yet and keep working on building a resume.

this needs to be sticky in every carriers sub-forums as well….

Not specific to UA since I, and many, don't know exactly what they're after. I volunteered at AA recruiting and only the top people knew the details. We'd randomly hear very very small details but knew nothing about the big picture. We could ask the insiders and I had them say "we don't give advice....but that's good advice that you just mentioned."

I'll rewrite your info -

3600 TT
1800 TPIC in 3 different a/c
2 type ratings.

800 hrs Part 135

How much TPIC in each type? I've heard a friend very high up in the pilot hiring food chain say "we're not getting guys with TPIC time. Or it's PC-12 time." I don't know if they don't count SEL TPIC time or if they, or just he, doesn't rate it as highly. Or if it's an opinion/observation that he has that the system doesn't care about?

How flexible/mobile are you? Can you pull chocks and move to improve your resume? Compare that to the hours you're getting now. I'd look at the regionals offering quick upgrades once you get 1000 hrs of qualfiying time. They'd hire you with 950 hrs qualifying time for a rapid/direct entry upgrade. I'd ask the regional airlines directly if your TPIC and Part 135 time qualifies. If it does you're already above the TPIC trigger lines of 500/1000 hrs TPIC.

IMO the thing that stands out that you can do that would improve your resume is - go through a Part 121 school, fly a bigger jet, get a new type rating and possibly get 121 TPIC time in a couple of months (6-12?). You're already 'qualified', and might be considered 'highly qualified' (1000 hrs TPIC) if all your TPIC time is considered qualifying. Look at the 'holes' in your resume vs what others have and figure out if you can add what they have to your resume. Look 3, 6, 12 months in the future and make resumes for those time periods. Do that for your current job vs pursuing other jobs. Does doing more CItation XL, K350, of PC-6 time improve your resume? At what point is it just more ground hog time on your resume if you meet the general minimums (3000 hrs TT/500 or 1000 hrs TPIC)?

2900 TT
A320, 75/767 types
500 turbine
1200ish PIC @ 135 operation
4 year degree
0 checkride fails

Anyone with similiar times know if that's enough for a call? I know my turbine is pretty low, but I'm working on it.

They (non specific airline generalization) like to see 500 or 1000 hrs TPIC. 'Like' isn't the minimum as those candidates get fewer and fewer.

The drop off in hiring by the LCC's, and perhaps some other carriers, might increase the average/typical minimum standards in the coming months/year(s).

I'd guess you're in the low end of the range *but* above the minimums based on the lower edge of the people getting major airline jobs.

Fly as much as you can, on anything, and update at least every month. TPIC/turbine/large jet would be best but everything tacked on helps. If you're not above the numbers the computer program is looking for you're darn close. Every update might be the triggering event.

Good luck.

The call won’t ever come if you don’t apply, but I would say that your odds of getting a call after application are good. You may need to be a little patient because your application won’t likely pop to the top of the stack, but I’d be willing to bet you’ll hear something.

Can I ask how you have an A320 and 75/76 type and only 500 turbine?

I applied, but it has only been 3 or so weeks. Didn't expect a call that quickly by any means, but I've heard of it happening for regional guys. Figured I'll pay for the professional review if I'm not getting any calls after a month or two.


First jet was the 767 at an ACMI, wasn't there for very long. Now at a LCC flying the bus.

You should be in good shape then! I just wasn’t sure if the types were bought and/or promotional training through WAI or the likes. Basically, a type rating with no actual time in type. Two type ratings in those types of aircraft without the usual pass through an RJ or turboprop and only 500 turbine is a bit unusual.

Do a review service, but your best bet for faster results would be to try to get some face time at one of the major recruiting conferences. Go all in right away if you want the job. Every week wasted is ~50 seniority numbers that you give up.

What is your hesitation on paying for the review NOW?

Attend a job fair.

I have very similar quals. 800 turbine and 737 type, 1850PIC mostly as CFI
Do you have any TPIC?
Did you get called yet?

Obviously it's a moving target, but I had the following when I got the offer from AA in August (and the day after I accepted I had a call from United wanting to schedule IIRC, or maybe it was a call from Pilot Recruiting asking me to update so they could schedule, I don't remember, but I didn't pursue it):

B767, B737, E145 types (at 121 operators, without failures)
1750 Turbine - all 121 (weird holdover from the pre-1500 days that got out of the industry for 10 years)
Checked the EEOC Protected Vet diversity hire box
Less than 2300 TT
250 TPIC @ 121 RJ operator
2 Master's (one of them even wasn't a fake military one) and a Bachelors
No failures other than a PPL stage check way back
No internal recs
No meet 'n' greets

I tried to slot those all in where I thought they ranked in terms of importance, but it's very much a guess...as others have said, it ain't apples to apples.

Type ratings isn't that high on the importance rank. Overseas it often is as they like to hire people with time in type. In the U.S. corporate and Part 135 might require, or prefer, time in type. But larger U.S. Part 121 don't care if the applicants have time in type.

What to they value the most? 1000 hrs TPIC ('highly qualified'), then 500 hrs TPIC ('competiviely qualified). Right up with those two is military flight training. They also like to see Part 121 experience as the training standards are fairly well known. They also like to see recent training, either an upgrade to Captain or a new type rating. Even better if it's at a 121 operator. They also want to see recent experience. They're just trying to increase the odds that they think the candidate they hire will pass the training and has a background that improves those odds.