Using TK for yard work?
 

Hypothetically speaking, lets say the company simply just didn't like a New Hire and has some sort of buyers remorse, would they use the training department to WEED them out? Thanks, asking for a friend!

If the company no longer wants to associate with you due to a non-flight/training issue, they will do the dirty work themselves. They won’t send you through the training department as part of the exit plan.

If you are struggling flying the plane then, yes. They can, will, and do send people back to TK to work with them. If they can’t fix you and you’re still on probation, sure. You could find yourself dusting off your resume.

That said, it’s an extremely gentlemanly company. You have to really be a special kind of special to get yourself dismissed. Not saying that it isn’t possible or hasn’t happened. Because it is and has. But those pilots are truly in the top of the one percenters.. and not the financial kind.

you won’t run into a single PI that will tank you because they are asked to do it. You either fall on your face or you don’t.

If you are an idiot that’s makes dumb choices when at work or outside of work they will just cut you loose. This is a multi billion dollar corporation firing you means next to nothing to them there is no emotion involved.

you put the time in you will pass

You’re on probation for a year. They’ll take care of the weeds if they see an issue.

hypothetically, I would ask a different question. To even ask this is absurd. For a "friend." cmon.

The instructors and evaluators at TK are qualified line pilots and will treat pilots in training as such.

First of all, what would make a new hire think that the company doesn’t like them? Attitude, lack of performance ? In any of those cases, the company doesn’t need training to weed them out, they are an at-will employee and can be let go for just about any reason.

The number one job of training is to get pilots to the line. To suggest otherwise might speak to the individual thinking otherwise.. in other words if you think someone is on a witch-hunt, it might they probably have good reason to do so, but they won’t!

To be quite honest, for non flight performance based issues, you need to go out of your way to get let go for HR or "the company doesn't like me issues." Like fabricating your entire flying background, lying about military experience, or just being totally an intolerable or a completely insufferable person.

Be a normal person, show up prepared with a good attitude and know one is gonna know who you are. And that's a good thing. There is no special meetings happening behind closed doors discussing what's going on with new hires unless problematic behavior is brought to their attention.

Jfc you guys really are hiring some scrubs. This is the type of question you’d expect to read on the bottom of the barrel regional threads like Mesa or commuteAir.

You guys hired the “I’ll shoot you if we divert” FO despite your top tier psychological testing.

Pot meet kettle?

The psychological testing is a sham and your comparison is apples to oranges. You guys hired a head case who pulled an axe out of his car then proceeded to play “hero” in his own delusional mind. I guess with 16,000 pilots it’s only a matter of time before someone does something stupid.

A new hire asking a ridiculous question like that is just embarrassing and proves once again how low the standards have fallen in Chicago.

you truly belong at delta. Thank you.

No, thank Delta.

Triggered much?

Huh?! Threatening to shoot someone over a divert is far worse and he actually had a gun! Top tier candidate right thur. Proves how far the standards have fallen in Atlanta.

Tool.

If an airline decides they don't like you, they'll just fire you on probation. Other than performance issues, for it to happen between starting class and the end of initial training, they would have to discover someone lied on their application/background check or there would have to be an alcohol/drug incident or severe attitude issue. I've seen all happen at various airlines, but overall it's extremely rare.

Amen to that😀. This dude is such a tool! Always some that slip through the cracks - even though, in typical DL fashion, this DB acts like everyone at DL is an astronaut (brushes off someone pulling a gun in the cockpit). Good to see DL only hires the cream of the crop. You know... like this guy😂😂😂.

As a DL bubba with UA family, takes all kinds. This guy pole vaulted over the “friendly ribbing” thing and went straight to trash talk.

Like I said at Thanksgiving, we know we are better and we don't have to rub it in! (Kidding!)

No, that’s not how it works. “Your friend” would get to know the CPO/TK Management and HR better than most.

Of course, your friend’s lack of performance in training could be part of the conversation, if it’s in fact an issue. There’s a huge difference between being unable to perform in training and someone who’s out to get you.

A new pilot enjoys scrutiny by everyone in the probationary year, and it’s true not all probationary pilots make it to the end of the first year. However, in every case the invitation to leave (that I’ve heard of) was self imposed.

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​​​​​​I'll take axe vs car park arm VS airplane vs hailstorm any day.

At least the axeman didn’t get a life sentence for beating his wife like this Delta pilot. So this happened awhile back. Did Delta lower their standards first or did they never have them at all?

http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/36613.html

LAXtoDEN's posting history is proof that DAL has truely scraped bottom and is desperately hiring any trash they can.

Could you possibly imagine posting childish jibberish like he does on another airline's page? Truely the definition of amateur hour.

Ha, ha. Yeah, the guy is just a complete embarrassment. You guys run a great operation and everyone who isn't an insecure DB knows it. I love where I am, but the numbers and passenger loyalty don't lie. 99% are the quiet professionals and that's the way to be. It's just guys like him that are where all the jokes/stereotypes come from.

Beers on me in SAN! We all just fly planes.

If timing had been different I would be over there. To attack the TK professionals doing hiring by a Delta guy is pretty classless.

The Delta appropriate response is "Eat a bag of d!cks"

Just flew with a know it all corporate guy with 100hrs 121 that already has a captain bid. First bigger jet and serious napoleon complex. We have trouble brewing. If you can smile and nod you are 80% of the way there at tk. If you have problems at tk you are probably the issue.

Hopefully you took the time to mentor the half-winger and if that didn’t work Pro-Stans/new hire mentor

Doubtful. The biggest whiners seem to be all bark no bite.

I agree. Most of the new hires I fly with on the Bus are decent. There’s only been one that was a half winger that needed some serious mentoring. I ended talking with Pro-Standards/his new hire mentor. Seems I wasn’t the only one to have issues with his attitude. (Former F9 CA).

One thing I see quite often is a blank stare from new FO’s is when I ask them about the flight plans/fuel. A good majority of them just say “my other CA’s just add 1000lbs” or they have no good reason to add fuel. That opens the door to mentoring and my thought process on adding fuel

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So how could someone describe flying with someone with an attitude without being construed as "whining" as not to incur your wrath?

We’re on the van ride….don’t talk to me about work. We can chat when we get to the plane.

This right here. Have a guy trying to brief on the van. No, I don’t want to listen to you right now. And clearly neither do the FAs as of the three of them, all of them are on their phones. 45 minutes is enough to get everything done, if it isn’t we push late. Simple as that.

How about the capt that texts you 2 hours before show asking if it would be ok to add gas? 2000 lbs on a 14 hour flight is a rounding error. do whatever you want, just dont talk to me about it until i am at work.

I’ve been on medical leave for a few years, but it was very common in the first 20+ years of my career to talk about the upcoming flight on the way to work. I see two people after you posted similar opinions. Is it kind of taboo now to talk about work on the van? I’m hoping to come back in a few months and am curious. If you don’t talk about work, do you just stare at your phone (like I’m doing now?)

Disclaimer: The following is my opinion and mine alone. It doesn’t necessarily reflect that of others.

I am of the opinion that work stays at work. This comes from 22 years of being in the military where I didn’t have that luxury. So, now that I have well defined times of when I have to be in work mode I prefer to keep it that way. No, I haven’t looked at the release while I was getting ready for the van time. That would have made me get up earlier. We do enough work off the clock as it is, I’m not extending that clock.

again, this is just my opinion. If you want to talk about other stuff, sure, just don’t ask if I’ve read the MEL procedure. If it’s that involved we’ll do it and get the extra 30 minutes of pay for doing it at the aircraft.

I agree. Van time is my time. I will talk about work, airplanes, gossip, pretty much anything except the upcoming flight. UAL has repeatedly beat any enthusiasm out of me over the decades.

It really comes down to this, I don't work for free or on my own time.

I talk about work on the van so that when I get to the airport we have time for me to buy you a cup of coffee.

if you don’t want to talk that’s fine we will go talk on the jet and drink airplane coffee.

my time is important to me too…..I just have different priorities when I get to the airport!

I review before the van because I suck and need all the time I can to review, especially when the weather, MEL's, tight on weights, etc are in the mix. It's not because I want to work for free for the company. It's part of wanting to get it right every time. If we delay because extra time it needed so be it but I don't stack the deck against myself in the first place.

That's actually the professional way to do it.

Domestic flying you can wait until the airport, chances are you already know what the weather is going to be like because you had to pack you clothes for the trip. International is a different game. Lots more things going on and if you have an hour ride to the airport you may as well look at the release and see how well the dispatchers did. Getting new fuel ordered overseas is quite often a time issue and that's always the go home leg.

Airport is coffee and checking out the bargains at duty free. World of Whiskey in T3 at LHR. Plus Cafe Nero. That's a time suck.