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Old 12-15-2023 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by goinaround
Yeah my understanding is the machines in the past would not always re-shape all the way out to the outer edge of the cornea which is what causes the halo issues. Wavelength laser gets it all. I'd think that any good reputable eye center would have it (though they still offered the non-wavelength at about half the price....this is not the way to save money). I can see every light on the field at night as sharp as can be. The rest of the day after the surgery.....not gonna lie the eyes hurt. Next day a little sore there was some light sensitivity for a while. For a couple months after I used eye drops for dryness....can kinda feel like you have a hair in your eye or something. After a while it's like it never happened. I'm 20/15 both eyes. It's awesome. No regerts.
I had my eyes done back in the early 2000's before wavefront technology was in use. I had pretty significant halos at night for a few months. My eyes were 20/15 up until a couple years ago. I'm not sure if everyone is using the newer machines but make sure and ask. I'd defintely do it again, it was a major improvement in QOL for me.
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Old 12-16-2023 | 09:32 AM
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Thank y’all for all your comments. Got it done last night and I’m seeing 20/15. No pain or hurt at all. Wavelength is the way to go. It will cost you a little more, but you’re getting quality. Tonight will be ultimate test when it comes to halos, but from what I read and researched it’s minimal with this tech and disappears after a couple of months. Couldn’t be happier. Didn’t end up taking Valium. It stays in your urine for 6 weeks and not worth the risk of being randomed. Took a few Tylenol pm and slept like a baby with no issues. Thanks again everyone.
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Old 12-16-2023 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Richaash
Thank y’all for all your comments. Got it done last night and I’m seeing 20/15. No pain or hurt at all. Wavelength is the way to go. It will cost you a little more, but you’re getting quality. Tonight will be ultimate test when it comes to halos, but from what I read and researched it’s minimal with this tech and disappears after a couple of months. Couldn’t be happier. Didn’t end up taking Valium. It stays in your urine for 6 weeks and not worth the risk of being randomed. Took a few Tylenol pm and slept like a baby with no issues. Thanks again everyone.
How much was the procedure? My wife did it 3 years ago and it was 3500 out the door at Shady Grove Ophthalmology in MD… he does the Redskin/Commander football players who need it… so use caution as they suck 🤣
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Old 12-16-2023 | 10:51 AM
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Didn’t end up taking Valium. It stays in your urine for 6 weeks and not worth the risk of being randomed. Took a few Tylenol pm and slept like a baby with no issues. Thanks again everyone.
1. While I have never taken Valium or advocated its use by anyone, it's a benzodiazepine and FAA/DOT drug testing does NOT test for benzodiazepines.

The FAA follows the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) drug testing regulations, and those regulations require testing for the following substances: marijuana, cocaine, opiates/opioids, phencyclidine (PCP) and amphetamines (which includes methamphetamines and MDMA (“Ecstasy”)). These are the only substances for which testing is required under the applicable FAA and DOT regulations.
2. Serum half-life of Valium is about 50 hours and about 100 hours for its major metabolite which is still somewhat pharmaceutically active. Practically speaking, any drug is out of your system after five half lives, so Valium would be undetectable in the urine after about ten days and even it's metabolite would
be gone by 20 days. Plus there are cutoffs for detection limits because of cross reactions and false positives. Otherwise anyone eating poppyseed rolls before a test would test positive for opiates.

The drug test cut-off levels are found in 49 CFR, part 40, § 40.87 as follows:Initial Test AnalyteInitial Test Cut-OffConfirmatory Test Cut-OffMarijuana (THCA)50 ng/mL15 ng/mLCocaine (Benzoylecgonine150 ng/mL100 ng/mLCodeine/morphine2000 ng/mL2000 ng/mLHydrocodone/hydromorphone300 ng/mL100 ng/mLOxycodone/oxymorphone100 ng/mL100 ng/mL6-Acetylmorphone10 ng/mL10 ng/mLPhencyclidine25 ng/mL25 ng/mLAmphetamine/methamphetamine500 ng/mL250 ng/mLMDMA/MDA500 ng/mL250 ng/mL
Again, not pushing Valium or illicit use of any drug but don't deny yourself appropriate treatment if you need it for fear of a positive random test. DOT Rule 49 CFR Part 40 Section 40.129 describes the procedures to be followed for a presumptive positive drug test. In that case a Medical Review Officer will contact the employee and offer them the opportunity to explain a presumptive positive. With the permission of the employee, the Medical Review Officer will contact the employees physician or dentist and validating they had a legitimate medical reason for the positive and that the medication was legally prescribed. If the medication was legitimately supplied (for pain after a tooth extraction, premed for a sigmoid exam, etc.) the presumptive positive is cancelled.

So no, DO NOT borrow your spouse's controlled drug or use an old bottle of pain pills from a previous dental procedure for your backache and expect that excuse to work, and don't fly on meds that would make you unsafe to fly but any meds legitimately prescribed for you that would explain a positive drug test will cause that positive test to be cancelled and even the designated drug test guy in your company will only be told it's an invalid test, not given your medical history.

Bottom line: Don't deny yourself proper treatment for legitimate medical problems or procedures.

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Old 12-16-2023 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
How much was the procedure? My wife did it 3 years ago and it was 3500 out the door at Shady Grove Ophthalmology in MD… he does the Redskin/Commander football players who need it… so use caution as they suck 🤣
Cost me $4200 out the door after a $1000 off. 😂 that’s hilarious. Honestly other than the pressure you will feel initially while they create the flap, you won’t feel a thing. So far so good. 20/15. Wife has perfect vision and read something across the kitchen on the fridge while she couldn’t.
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Old 12-16-2023 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Richaash
Cost me $4200 out the door after a $1000 off.
The reason they offered you $1,000 off is because most insurance plans offer better pricing to the end user (us) UNLESS there is a promo going on. The funny thing is, most places I looked at are constantly running promos. For example, my insurance would give me 15% off. Normal pricing was $5200, but they always run a "sale" of $400 off, so my insurance said I didn't qualify for the 15% off.
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Old 12-16-2023 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
1. While I have never taken Valium or advocated its use by anyone, it's a benzodiazepine and FAA/DOT drug testing does NOT test for benzodiazepines.



2. Serum half-life of Valium is about 50 hours and about 100 hours for its major metabolite which is still somewhat pharmaceutically active. Practically speaking, any drug is out of your system after five half lives, so Valium would be undetectable in the urine after about ten days and even it's metabolite would
be gone by 20 days. Plus there are cutoffs for detection limits because of cross reactions and false positives. Otherwise anyone eating poppyseed rolls before a test would test positive for opiates.



Again, not pushing Valium or illicit use of any drug but don't deny yourself appropriate treatment if you need it for fear of a positive random test. DOT Rule 49 CFR Part 40 Section 40.129 describes the procedures to be followed for a presumptive positive drug test. In that case a Medical Review Officer will contact the employee and offer them the opportunity to explain a presumptive positive. With the permission of the employee, the Medical Review Officer will contact the employees physician or dentist and validating they had a legitimate medical reason for the positive and that the medication was legally prescribed. If the medication was legitimately supplied (for pain after a tooth extraction, premed for a sigmoid exam, etc.) the presumptive positive is cancelled.

So no, DO NOT borrow your spouse's controlled drug or use an old bottle of pain pills from a previous dental procedure for your backache and expect that excuse to work, and don't fly on meds that would make you unsafe to fly but any meds legitimately prescribed for you that would explain a positive drug test will cause that positive test to be cancelled and even the designated drug test guy in your company will only be told it's an invalid test, not given your medical history.

Bottom line: Don't deny yourself proper treatment for legitimate medical problems or procedures.
It's really not that important.....
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Old 12-16-2023 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by goinaround
It's really not that important.....
Correct info isn't important to you? OK.
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Old 12-16-2023 | 04:45 PM
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I had LASIK done in March 2022. I live in the PHX area and the doctors at the practice are former army and air force opthamolgists. They said they've done hundreds of military aviators, so that was good enough for me. Anyways, entire procedure from leaving the waiting room to in post-op was six minutes. It's 30 seconds per eye, seriously. I almost asked the Dr. if he had started when creating the flap on my first eye before he said "right eye is done, let's do your left." I felt zero pain. None! This machine took 18 seconds per eye to create the flap. Afterwards, the nurses guided me to the next machine a few feet away. This one took 10 seconds per eye to reshape the cornea. Best thing you can do is go home and sleep as much as you can. The doctors at this practice give you their personal cell phone number and you can call/text with questions. And my surgeon would answer within 10 minutes, even on a weekend.

FAA is pretty hands off. A week after my surgery, I went in for a check-up and gave the staff the FAA form and fax number. They sent it in and I received a new medical in the mail a couple of weeks later. Took the FAA form to my medical 11 months later. Simple as that. I have solid 20/15 in my left eye and 20/20 in right eye. I paid $5800, includes two years of check-ups and touch ups (if needed).
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Old 12-16-2023 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Correct info isn't important to you? OK.
Pertaining to deciding to either take or not to take an unimportant pill before his probably once in a life time procedure? No.
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