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AirportJunkie 01-05-2024 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3746423)
The percentage on the vacancy bid assumes all 60 vacancies (59 besides you) will be
filled and everyone filling the other 59 will be junior to you. That percentage is eff'd info. Although it may be closer to the truth than in the past with new hire upgrades, you really have no idea where your true percentage will end up. Better data for me is looking at the BES g-line.

The category summary has your true percentage in a base/seat. I would never bid a position based solely of the vacancy bidding screen.

60av8tor 01-05-2024 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by AirportJunkie (Post 3746450)
The category summary has your true percentage in a base/seat. I would never bid a position based solely of the vacancy bidding screen.

Yeah good point - forgot about the summary.

eagleatr 01-05-2024 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by AirportJunkie (Post 3746448)
The last sfo 737 CA category summary shows 39% as a 62xx seniority number. The Vacancy bidding screen is not the true reality of the situation in a base and seat. The vacancy bidding screen is NOT a good idea of your in base seniority given the fact that the company has hard time filling upgrades in sfo.

I realize that but my overall seniority there would be in the low 40's. I would never bid it as I have no interest in being based there. It was simply an example.

Brickfire 01-05-2024 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Dynamiterabbit (Post 3746383)
but given new hires classes filling with captains, is there a shot that a pilot hired now could at least get to, maybe, 75-80% as a NB CA in five years? Assuming UAL’s growth plans remain on track.

Yeah, if United goes from 17K pilots to 28K pilots in the next 5 years, there's a shot.

But, I doubt you'll be a lineholding captain in 5 years. The only time that happens 5 years into a (generally) 25-30 year career is massive massive growth.

Chowdah 01-05-2024 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by eagleatr (Post 3746554)
I realize that but my overall seniority there would be in the low 40's. I would never bid it as I have no interest in being based there. It was simply an example.

9 years with the company would put you around 65%. Check CCS staffing reports. And there is a significant difference between 40 something and 65. I think you’re misunderstanding something

60av8tor 01-06-2024 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by AirportJunkie (Post 3746450)
The category summary has your true percentage in a base/seat. I would never bid a position based solely of the vacancy bidding screen.


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3746475)
Yeah good point - forgot about the summary.

Meant to add that while the summary does show true percentage in real time, I still prefer the PBS doc as it shows useful info to me - employee #s for junior line holders. For me at least that's really what I care about when I consider upgrading - how long will I be on reserve. True % in base doesn't mean much to me unless I know where the junior line holders are.

AirportJunkie 01-06-2024 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3746678)
Meant to add that while the summary does show true percentage in real time, I still prefer the PBS doc as it shows useful info to me - employee #s for junior line holders. For me at least that's really what I care about when I consider upgrading - how long will I be on reserve. True % in base doesn't mean much to me unless I know where the junior line holders are.

True % doesn’t matter LOL ok…..

But seriously 01-06-2024 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3746475)
Yeah good point - forgot about the summary.

Unless I’m mistaken the Category Summary is a little unreliable now too. At least for NBCA. All the NHs that have been awarded upgrades in the last few months all show up there, but they won’t actually be online in that seat for a year plus.
It’s still a much better representation than the vacancy screen.

60av8tor 01-06-2024 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by AirportJunkie (Post 3746691)
True % doesn’t matter LOL ok…..

I'm 45% in BES. With just that info alone, what does it mean? That's what the summary gives you. You said you'd never bid off the vacancy page. I said the same thing. Nor would I bid knowing a percentage without knowing what that percentage is going to get me. I'm top 10% SFO 756 - awesome! - until I look at the bid package (and obviously SFO). That's all I was saying.

I guess I'm missing the reason for your sarcasm. I was trying to add value to this discussion and help the guy asking the question; not trying to step on your toes. Been a member here long enough that I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

60av8tor 01-06-2024 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3746784)
Unless I’m mistaken the Category Summary is a little unreliable now too. At least for NBCA. All the NHs that have been awarded upgrades in the last few months all show up there, but they won’t actually be online in that seat for a year plus.
It’s still a much better representation than the vacancy screen.

Yup, you're right. The gline employee # and local base/schedule knowledge is what is needed.


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