Vernon Demerest

Well said. I dread sitting next to someone like this for hours but I can see the writing on the wall….

jumppilot

When I started, shortly after 9/11, there were no jobs. I interviewed for countless CFI gigs but never got an offer. I’d drive 50 miles one way to get some single engine time.

When things started moving again, flying across the country for a job fair wasn’t out of the question.

Those days will come back, I’m sure. It’ll be interesting when they do.

Rama

Its better to be at the place you want to be ,watching others try to get hired than on the outside looking in.
Quality of life is being hired in your twenties and being able to pull the plug in your fifties (if you choose) with high seven or possibly eight figures in the bank.
Many of us won't have that career or choice.

TOGALOCK

The funny thing about QOL is that it’s a moving metric though life. How you define it now in your early 20’s as a (presumably) fairly recently married couple will not be the same as you define it in your late 20’s and 30’s when you have more financial responsibilities and possibly kids. Part of being an adult/husband/father is doing what is best for everyone long term. Not just what’s giving you satisfaction right now. Even if that means short term sacrifice. At your age there are zero reasons to not continue upward career advancement. “Waking up late and going to bed late” will not be a top priority someday. We all used to like that at one point. Realities of life will eventually kick you in the nads on that one. I slept in until 7:30 today. I feel vigorous!

There is only one way that your QOL will continue to roll the way it is at NK and that’s if everything continues to move forward effortlessly at NK with aircraft deliveries, hiring, growth, and profitability. We all know that’s just not going to happen. So, one of four things is going to happen: Nothing will move at NK for the foreseeable future and you will be stuck in a seniority holding pattern, or possibly even a backwards slide. Chapter 11 and you will tumble to the bottom of the seniority list/QOL or even into unemployment as Spirit shrinks to profitability. Chapter 7… I won’t explain that one. Or somehow a rabbit gets pulled out of a hat and JB/NK win their appeal and get hitched. In that case your seniority movement will come to a screeching halt behind a very young and large group of pilots. You will also find yourself having lost massive amounts of relative seniority in the SL integration.

As someone who’s been battling this industry for likely longer than you’ve been alive, I’ll tell you this bluntly (and I say it jokingly, but also with a touch of truth). If your wife needs that much convincing for you to make an upward career move this early into your career AND marriage, then you need a new wife more than you need a new job.

Side note: If I were you and left with a choice, I’d be looking at AA a lot more closely than UA given your location.

PK387

1. There's no contractually-defined requirement forcing the company to conduct vacancy bids at any particular interval, but currently, there's been one a month for at least the past year now. And as far as I know, we're still hiring close to 200 per month, so 150 numbers is maybe 3-4 weeks of hiring.

5. The company will still be able to offer voluntary FSB, but it'll be at their discretion. I will say I haven't seen a single FSB built in my category in months now, so I'm guessing it'll be a rarely used tool since it pays the pilots pretty well.

7. LHs can group their flying as much as they want, as long as they comply with FAR 30/168 rest requirements.

Company doesn't care where you sit long call as long as you can get to work on time. As long as you abide by the commuter clause (which, notably, requires two flights), you're protected.

John Carr

"Does anyone remember?", Silly silly person....

Are you talking something else outside of the PFT that was so prevelant from the 90's all the way to early 2000?

ACA, ASA, COEX, ExpressOne (pinnacle), etc etc etc.....

Turbosina

I dunno man, recently I've been flying with FOs who were born right around 9/11, did their first solo during covid, and wonder why they're not at a legacy yet.

When I mention that people used to have to go buy a 73 type just to get an interview, or spend $20,000 (or whatever it was) to sit right seat in like a Saab 340 out of MIA to build hours, they look at me like I've got two heads.

Otters

stay.

if you have to come on here and really ask about this, the indecision will kill us all.

John Carr

Kids these days.......

As mentioned, it was a lot of carriers that did it, some didn't.

11atsomto

Those people were around in your day, but they just dropped out after private or instrument to become police officers (some cases air Marshalls) nurses, or multi level marketers. Thier heart wasn't in it, or at the very least thier patience to persevere through years of poverty for a chance at a big pay day wasn't present. They chose the path of least resistance. The assertive language used by this group back then sounds very similar to the conversations I have with the Instagram pilots who have more followers than hours and see it as unjust that thier 2000 hours can't get them a legacy class date.