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Turbosina 01-27-2024 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3759483)
united needs airplanes they can satisfy that by switching MAX10 orderes to -8/-9 orders. They have already done this during the delay, it’s why we are still taking MAX deliveries.

what United needs and can’t get, and why Kirby is angry, is a large Domestic narrowbody. You can’t put a lie flat first class plus 150+ economy passengers in an A220.

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I've wondered why UA doesn't have a narrow body transcon aircraft (A321) so as to offer exactly the service you're talking about on the premium transcon routes. I just rode in AA's premium A321 lie-flat service to JFK and back, and it's an excellent product. Although didn't UA recently take delivery of a few 321s?

Swakid8 01-27-2024 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3759531)
I've wondered why UA doesn't have a narrow body transcon aircraft (A321) so as to offer exactly the service you're talking about on the premium transcon routes. I just rode in AA's premium A321 lie-flat service to JFK and back, and it's an excellent product. Although didn't UA recently take delivery of a few 321s?

We use our 757-200s in select markets to offer a lie flat product. BOS, EWR to LAX and SFO.

TFAYD 01-27-2024 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3759532)
We use our 757-200s in select markets to offer a lie flat product. BOS, EWR to LAX and SFO.

yeah - but they are tiiired and should have been gone a long time ago

dmeg13021 01-27-2024 08:31 AM

The cost of adding an entire new fleet is immensely more than any benefit from downgauging routes.

Turbosina 01-27-2024 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3759532)
We use our 757-200s in select markets to offer a lie flat product. BOS, EWR to LAX and SFO.

Derp. You're absolutely right, of course, and I knew that. Shoulda had my coffee before posting...

MasterOfPuppets 01-27-2024 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3759531)
I've wondered why UA doesn't have a narrow body transcon aircraft (A321) so as to offer exactly the service you're talking about on the premium transcon routes. I just rode in AA's premium A321 lie-flat service to JFK and back, and it's an excellent product. Although didn't UA recently take delivery of a few 321s?

there are 4 cabins for the MX10 and 321.

MAX10 - Domestic flying only for this fleet

standard cabin 180+ pax
Lie flat first class heavy premium 150+ pax

321 - NEO (Domestic only) XLR (INTL)

NEO - 200 passenger heavy hauler
XLR - Lie flat and premium 160+ pax

The Max 10 is supposed to be our premium domestic aircraft. Hence why Kirby is not happy. This summer the 757 is being sent over the Atlantic and routes like BOS-LAX/SFO are going all 737 and our premium passengers aren’t happy about that.

CLazarus 01-27-2024 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 3759414)
For all the noise Kirby made about the Max10 ... there's no way to replace them with 32X series even if they shake a couple dozen delivery slots out of the world. Only place that might have capacity is the 220 line.

Would United go for a big 220 order to get scope relief and ditch Boeing?

Short answer is no. But... Airbus needs to get A220 volume production up much higher to bring production costs down and get the program to overall profitability. There's been a lot of speculation about an A220-500 stretch, which would be a 737-8 and 320NEO killer. Airbus has been reluctant to cannibalize future 320NEO sales... but if they can barely produce enough 321s to meet orders over the next decade it might actually make sense to move on from the 320NEO with a big A220-500 launch customer. And of course, our CRJ-550s and ERJs will not last forever either and there is nothing remotely on the horizon to replace the CRJs at least. We could probably start delivieries of A220-100s and 300s in about two years while wait on -500 certification. In the meantime, we could make pretty much all our future MAX deliveries -9s or bigger to keep average gauge about the same as planned.

I think a much more likely scenario is a nice BA discount, on the 777X I hope.

FAR121 01-27-2024 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3759526)
Supposed to get 34 neos for 2024, now getting 14 because airbus can't deliver. Now they want others to defer?? How about just deliver original order.

from ACN

BREAKING

Airbus is reportedly aggressively pursuing United as a larger customer following United CEO's comments on Boeing's failures.

According to Boeing, United holds an order for nearly 430 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. Per a report, Airbus is asking customers to give up delivery slots on A321 NEOs and offering them to United. United is one of Boeing's largest and most loyal customers.

Details: https://aerocrewnews.com/svnq

iahflyr 01-27-2024 10:00 AM

ACN is the closest thing to a Russian propaganda news media outlet that we have in the US.

GPullR 01-27-2024 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by FAR121 (Post 3759573)
from ACN

BREAKING

Airbus is reportedly aggressively pursuing United as a larger customer following United CEO's comments on Boeing's failures.

According to Boeing, United holds an order for nearly 430 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. Per a report, Airbus is asking customers to give up delivery slots on A321 NEOs and offering them to United. United is one of Boeing's largest and most loyal customers.

Details: https://aerocrewnews.com/svnq

Um, hello, that's what I was just referring to. Not breaking, 2 days ago.


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