small math correction. It’s 25%. So 1550 ish of those 6200 are gone. Still an alarming number compared to historical norms.

I can’t really know(nor could anyone, really) the “what if’s”. I’m just saying that losing a quarter of our recent hires is very worrisome.

Curious...as one of the guys who will be bidding 737A if it's still available to newhires about 5 weeks from now, it's my understanding that the new hire CA thing only started last year, yes? And the contract specifies that you must first pass probationary CQ and have 500 hours before going to charm school.

I'm just confused how, from a timing perspective,. recent new hires are already going to upgrade and being fired? The timing doesn't make sense to me. Even if you block 90 hrs/month right after training, you're still looking at a bare minimum of 5-6 months after finishing indoc, and new-hire FO training. How are people already going to upgrade class and getting fired in February 2024?

That is indeed astonishing. Wow.

I still have a hard time believing that a quarter of the new hires pilots that began indoc over the last ~three years are no longer at United. Do you have any reference or at least a rough break out of the reason (resigned to go to DL/AA, training, discipline, ???)?
It's quite possible I've been living under a rock, but this is the first time I've heard of such a high attrition rate. Why would the union not have highlighted it, especially during negotiations?

my jaw hit the ground when I was informed of this as well. I can’t say much more on a public forum other than to say call your reps if you’d like confirmation.

As disheartening to hear as it is, if true, it’s nice to know that training/line standards are being maintained if hiring standards are being diminished. If you can’t manage to play nice with others in a team environment like this then you should, if fact, be shown the door. As far as training goes… this is my personal opinion only, but after four airlines and upgrade training, UAL was the easiest initial training I’ve ever been though. If someone can’t get through it here then they shouldn’t even be allowed near a Cessna let alone an airliner.

I only hope that the numbers given are inaccurate and we haven't truly hit the bottom that hard.

Will do
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No—he’s just referring to a general attrition. Nothing to do with NH CA offerings.

Ah, gotcha, makes sense. I was referring to this quote though: "We’ve actually had our first cases of newbs being fired during initial training for Captain bids."

I think what you're saying is 'newbs' in this case means "guys who have joined since 2021" as opposed to "guys who got assigned CA in NH training." So that would make perfect sense.

I dunno...I've only ever worked at one 121 airline but in my experience you had to be a complete numnuts who refused to study, in order to get fired from training. So who knows. Personally I found CA training to really not be about the airplane or flying, but about decisionmaking and CRM, and those skills are arguably harder to teach than how to fly an ILS.

Still, I'm utterly gobsmacked that 25% of UAL hires over the past 3 years are no longer with the company.