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Desiflyer 09-16-2024 09:15 AM

TT 3100
121 Sic 1000+
Tpic 4 hours ☺️

no military
prior 135/121 regional

Attended LPA event last year

application in more than a year and update it 60-90 days.

currently flying for ULCC

Are TPIC hours high priority for United?

VacancyBid 09-16-2024 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Desiflyer (Post 3837373)
Are TPIC hours high priority for United?

The majors never lost their taste for dodo meat. But it ran out. So they started hiring people without TPIC.

There are now a large and growing number of candidates with significant TPIC. And they are getting preferentially hired which hasn't changed, just the number of candidates to which it applied. Plenty of guys with your specs got hired in 2022. Different market now.

if I had to guess ... another 1000 hours of 320 SIC won't materially change the situation - partially because it just won't and partially because the regionals will generate that many hundred more captains with 1000 TPIC in that time. I think the DEC ship has sailed but I haven't followed things in great detail. Getting some heavy/intl with an ACMI might look good also.

Otterbox 09-16-2024 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Desiflyer (Post 3837373)
TT 3100
121 Sic 1000+
Tpic 4 hours ☺️

no military
prior 135/121 regional

Attended LPA event last year

application in more than a year and update it 60-90 days.

currently flying for ULCC

Are TPIC hours high priority for United?

60-90 day updates mean you're not interested compared to everyone else who is updating regularly... update at least monthly. Get some (4) LORs and get to another job fair. Unless you're in the furlough zone would not recommend you make backwards career moves to regionals (makes people wonder did you get fired?) or even ACMI. Take the upgrade at your current shop, become a sim instructor, union volunteer etc. to boost your application.

Chimpy 09-16-2024 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Desiflyer (Post 3837373)
TT 3100
121 Sic 1000+
Tpic 4 hours ☺️

no military
prior 135/121 regional

Attended LPA event last year

application in more than a year and update it 60-90 days.

currently flying for ULCC

Are TPIC hours high priority for United?

just an FYI I updated my app every single day I flew. Not saying you have to but I’d update more freq

VacancyBid 09-16-2024 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3837417)
60-90 day updates mean you're not interested compared to everyone else who is updating regularly... update at least monthly. Get some (4) LORs and get to another job fair. Unless you're in the furlough zone would not recommend you make backwards career moves to regionals (makes people wonder did you get fired?) or even ACMI. Take the upgrade at your current shop, become a sim instructor, union volunteer etc. to boost your application.

Updates - agree
"Backwards" to Regional, historically I would agree. ~IF~ there are still big $$ DEC offers, that is different. ACMI vs flailing ULCC isn't black and white.
Take the upgrade could be a long time depending on the shop.

Union volunteer etc is window dressing that helps you stand out among people with otherwise similar stats. It's not gonna fix the fundamental problem that he's a lowish time FO in a market now full of captains.

kjrocka 09-17-2024 04:25 AM

DEC is still an option, but you better move fast. Bonuses are going away and training contracts are becoming the norm again. Another option for tpic may be a fractional with a quick upgrade.

Swakid8 09-17-2024 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3837417)
60-90 day updates mean you're not interested compared to everyone else who is updating regularly... update at least monthly. Get some (4) LORs and get to another job fair. Unless you're in the furlough zone would not recommend you make backwards career moves to regionals (makes people wonder did you get fired?) or even ACMI. Take the upgrade at your current shop, become a sim instructor, union volunteer etc. to boost your application.

I wouldn't necessarily call a move from a ULCC to ACMI backwards in terms of career progression. Getting a heavy type and international experience counts for something..... Both he isn't getting at a ULCC. I wouldn't make the move unless they are furloughed though. Therefore, I would put it in the lateral category. It is backward when it comes to the CBA.

I agree, ULCC to Regional is backwards.

Spray993 11-17-2024 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 3837413)
The majors never lost their taste for dodo meat. But it ran out. So they started hiring people without TPIC.

There are now a large and growing number of candidates with significant TPIC. And they are getting preferentially hired which hasn't changed, just the number of candidates to which it applied. Plenty of guys with your specs got hired in 2022. Different market now.

if I had to guess ... another 1000 hours of 320 SIC won't materially change the situation - partially because it just won't and partially because the regionals will generate that many hundred more captains with 1000 TPIC in that time. I think the DEC ship has sailed but I haven't followed things in great detail. Getting some heavy/intl with an ACMI might look good also.

I would imagine that the 1600TPIC figure thrown around is probably right on the money (if not than pretty dang close) with how quick upgrade times are. UAL is smart enough to know that a CRJ is a much easier first time CA A/C than a 737.

How does UA view ACMI pilots?

banned 11-17-2024 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by Spray993 (Post 3853172)
a CRJ is a much easier first time CA A/C than a 737.

I'd be interested to know why you think this. I'll make the CRJ's case, especially for the 200:
- Unsynced fans, no fadec or engine monitor.
- No autothrust / throttle, no stall protection.
- Lots of flying out of radar coverage / outside of tower hours into CTAFs with high amounts of local traffic.
- More involved go arounds and V1 cuts, harder MVs as a result, even though that's subjective.

at6d 11-17-2024 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by banned (Post 3853176)
I'd be interested to know why you think this. I'll make the CRJ's case, especially for the 200:
- Unsynced fans, no fadec or engine monitor.
- No autothrust / throttle, no stall protection.
- Lots of flying out of radar coverage / outside of tower hours into CTAFs with high amounts of local traffic.
- More involved go arounds and V1 cuts, harder MVs as a result, even though that's subjective.

Funny. Reminds me of a 737-300 day at WN! LOL


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