Hiring Minimums
 

What are current hiring mins you are hearing from recruiters? 1,000 TPIC? 1,000 turbine? 2,500 TT? in the past 12 months the hiring market has adjusted substantially, i'm curious what it takes to get a call from United in today's market.

This info is worth about as much as you paid for it, but there's a summary getting passed around various UA pilot chat groups that basically says

Mins: 1,000 hrs fixed wing turbine
Desired: 6,000-8,000 TT, 1600 hrs PIC (This is obviously a significant increase from the 2,500 TT that seems to have been reality until earlier this year.)

No clue if this is genuine or not...

Nature is healing, lol .....

The minimums have never changed. The minimum qualifications are 1500 hours, full ATP, english proficiency and a 1st class medical. The desired hours have gone up but that should have zero bearing on whether you apply or not. 1,500 hours in the space shuttle will probably be enough. 2 DUI's and 5 checkride busts probably will require more hours to make up for it. Nobody knows the secret formula. Apply, boost your resume, update your apps and hope for the best.

I recently heard that the average new hire is in the 4000-6000 range, which obviously means there’s a lot of variables involved (mil, degree, whatever).

I also heard a rumor that TK is having an easier time with new hires during training. Correlation and Causation, and all that.

I heard the 4000 rough minimum as well. The 8 ball ceremony still looked like a bunch of high schoolers but that’s more me becoming old I think. Lol

2 DUI’s and 5 checkride busts should never be extended an interview. Ever.

Riddle Rats that were on the ball in 2021 should be about 3500TT, about 1000 TPIC and about 26 now.

As for the original question ... the reason they stopped hiring pilots with 1000 121 PIC was that they ran out. The store has been restocked.

How flexible is the PIC time? I'm a ULCC captain with substantial total and 121 time, but only 600 TPIC. It's my first captain job and flying on reserve is hit or miss lately.

nobody but the hiring department would know. We can all just guess what the formula is.

Two Part 121 type ratings (I assume you have at least two) to go along with that 600 TPIC will help, may make you competitive against a regional guy with one type and 1000 TPIC. Also if you have no part 121 training failures, a degree, vol work, and all that other jazz. The type of stuff that actually used to matter on applications during pre-COVID hiring.

With our renewed focus on “keeping the main thing the main thing”, removing NPS modules from PPD, and removing nonsensical HR modules from cqdl, perhaps we can dispense with the volunteer work, and other idiotic areas of focus that have distracted the people in hiring for far too long. Time for them to focus on hiring, ya know, pilots and stop worrying about hiring marketing marionettes.

you’re in good shape. There are a lot of people in the CJO pool with like 2500 TT and 0tpic. United (any legacy) would be incredibly lucky to have ya

Going to a job fair would probably help. A lot.

I was just out at TK. They said these last couple of months, the hiring flt times have gone up dramitcally. 8-10k. Cause is, mainly hiring Spirit and Frontier pilots, many Capts.

For whatever it is worth, I have the absolute minimums (right at 1500.2 hours). I received a CJO in April. I consider myself to be incredibly lucky and don't truly understand why I was extended an offer. I almost didn't even apply because I thought there would be no way they would even consider me (when I applied, I didn't even have my ATP). Hope this provides some encouragement.

I assume you started at a regional at 1,000 hours and/or have a bit of jet time? By chance are you a POC?

Military/Cargo IP - UMPP Hire

That is crazy

I mean…………

Lol you and nobody else. You teach people how to fly heavy jets. You have had high quality training and second-to-none screening/vetting. You are WHY the minimum exists.

What a weird post. Either it's a horrible attempt at a humble brag or you are the least networked mil guy ever. Almost didn't apply... no way they would even consider me... strange... What Vacancy said.

I appreciate you taking a stab at my motives. At the end of what I posted, I said I was trying to provide some encouragement, so if you were looking for a motive, you might start there. Same team, keyboard warrior... same team.

Sheesh - truly sorry to have offended your sensibilities. Keyboard warrior?!? I'd flat out tell you to your face what I said. I'm not talking down to you, I'm saying your effing crazy to doubt your 'hireability', so yeah, it appears as self-deprecating humble bragging, but whatever. You're a mil IP with 1,500 hours and you almost didn't apply... That's the part that amazes me. Even for straight civy, the common knowledge is apply as soon and update often. For a mil pilot to question even applying... odd. I'm actually talking up your creds, while questioning the fact that you seem unaware of average mil applicant stats. That's what I'm saying. Go team!

To be fair, a lot of active duty mil guys have no clue how this process works, so he’s probably one of them. Trust me, I’m a reservist and I’ve seen both the mil and civ airline side of the house and a bunch of pure AD bros have no clue how the airlines work.

I got an interview invite a few weeks ago.

2700 TT
5 TPIC
1500 hrs 121
800 hrs MIL

Went to OBAP…got the call a couple days later.

I find this hard to believe in the hiring environment of the past few years. Every reservist knows a guy at AA, DL, UA, et all. When I left AD as a rotor guy I was imminently aware of where I stood.

What Combover said is the point of view I'm coming from. With everything blowing up in the industry, RTAG, etc, there is just so much info out there. At the end of the day, my comment didn't add anything and I should have just kept my mouth shut. Honestly, it was kind of more like a - WTF bro - I would've given a squadron mate in my previous life. The thought of him not even applying - even in the slight down tick we're in now - just really stood out. That's all.

I could have provided more context to my statement. If you had asked me a year ago if I would consider going to the airlines, I would have said no. I never really thought it was something I would consider, but life and family needs changed, which is why I am where I am now. When I started to consider applying, I figured I wouldn't be competitive enough and have to spend some time at a regional first. Again, I'm grateful to be in a position to have this opportunity. Ultimately, it was a mentor who told me, "Don't self-eliminate."

Makes sense. What your mentor said was the angle I was coming from. The worst that can happen is you don't get an invite. Welcome to UA.

TT 3100
121 Sic 1000+
Tpic 4 hours ☺️

no military
prior 135/121 regional

Attended LPA event last year

application in more than a year and update it 60-90 days.

currently flying for ULCC

Are TPIC hours high priority for United?

The majors never lost their taste for dodo meat. But it ran out. So they started hiring people without TPIC.

There are now a large and growing number of candidates with significant TPIC. And they are getting preferentially hired which hasn't changed, just the number of candidates to which it applied. Plenty of guys with your specs got hired in 2022. Different market now.

if I had to guess ... another 1000 hours of 320 SIC won't materially change the situation - partially because it just won't and partially because the regionals will generate that many hundred more captains with 1000 TPIC in that time. I think the DEC ship has sailed but I haven't followed things in great detail. Getting some heavy/intl with an ACMI might look good also.

60-90 day updates mean you're not interested compared to everyone else who is updating regularly... update at least monthly. Get some (4) LORs and get to another job fair. Unless you're in the furlough zone would not recommend you make backwards career moves to regionals (makes people wonder did you get fired?) or even ACMI. Take the upgrade at your current shop, become a sim instructor, union volunteer etc. to boost your application.

just an FYI I updated my app every single day I flew. Not saying you have to but I’d update more freq

Updates - agree
"Backwards" to Regional, historically I would agree. ~IF~ there are still big $$ DEC offers, that is different. ACMI vs flailing ULCC isn't black and white.
Take the upgrade could be a long time depending on the shop.

Union volunteer etc is window dressing that helps you stand out among people with otherwise similar stats. It's not gonna fix the fundamental problem that he's a lowish time FO in a market now full of captains.

DEC is still an option, but you better move fast. Bonuses are going away and training contracts are becoming the norm again. Another option for tpic may be a fractional with a quick upgrade.

I wouldn't necessarily call a move from a ULCC to ACMI backwards in terms of career progression. Getting a heavy type and international experience counts for something..... Both he isn't getting at a ULCC. I wouldn't make the move unless they are furloughed though. Therefore, I would put it in the lateral category. It is backward when it comes to the CBA.

I agree, ULCC to Regional is backwards.

I would imagine that the 1600TPIC figure thrown around is probably right on the money (if not than pretty dang close) with how quick upgrade times are. UAL is smart enough to know that a CRJ is a much easier first time CA A/C than a 737.

How does UA view ACMI pilots?

I'd be interested to know why you think this. I'll make the CRJ's case, especially for the 200:
- Unsynced fans, no fadec or engine monitor.
- No autothrust / throttle, no stall protection.
- Lots of flying out of radar coverage / outside of tower hours into CTAFs with high amounts of local traffic.
- More involved go arounds and V1 cuts, harder MVs as a result, even though that's subjective.

Funny. Reminds me of a 737-300 day at WN! LOL