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Gooselives 10-02-2024 09:48 AM

NB QOL
 
It has been a couple months now with new reserve rules fully implemented. I feel that qol has decreased significantly under the new contract. Line holders are constantly being reassigned as if now on reserve. Reservest are being abused. New reserve lines are not working as described or designed. Hopefully next contract fixes these issues and models south west or deltas approach.

rainyday 10-02-2024 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3841330)
It has been a couple months now with new reserve rules fully implemented. I feel that qol has decreased significantly under the new contract. Line holders are constantly being reassigned as if now on reserve. Reservest are being abused. New reserve lines are not working as described or designed. Hopefully next contract fixes these issues and models south west or deltas approach.


weird im on reserve in EWR, only worked 4 days last month. Just finished a 4 day stretch with no calls or SC conversions. People picking them up.

UALinIAH 10-02-2024 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by rainyday (Post 3841333)
weird im on reserve in EWR, only worked 4 days last month. Just finished a 4 day stretch with no calls or SC conversions. People picking them up.

He's an TI troll. Still mad how the elections went down and the Tumi was shot down. Your QOL will go up when you just block him lol.

jerryleber 10-02-2024 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3841334)
He's an TI troll. Still mad how the elections went down and the Tumi was shot down. Your QOL will go up when you just block him lol.

Tumi Toddler.

rainyday 10-02-2024 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3841334)
He's an TI troll. Still mad how the elections went down and the Tumi was shot down. Your QOL will go up when you just block him lol.


just stating my experience 🤷. Only been here under 3 years and couldn’t even vote on the tumi.

summer was brutal on reserve, but that was under the old rules. Granted it’s a slow time now but it’s much better for me so far. People will actually pick up short calls.

cal73 10-02-2024 11:24 AM

Just my opinion

I dont think the contract has a bunch of new protections in it. Protections -> prevents company from doing x, y or z.
however… It does pay a lot better when it does happen. Jmho

goinaround 10-02-2024 12:21 PM

Get outta here with your troll posts JB. Not a good look for you.

khergan 10-02-2024 02:34 PM

Nobody I know has been complaining. Everyone seems to relatively happy with the contract. So yeah, not sure what this is about.

C11DCA 10-02-2024 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by cal73 (Post 3841360)
Just my opinion

I dont think the contract has a bunch of new protections in it. Protections -> prevents company from doing x, y or z.
however… It does pay a lot better when it does happen. Jmho

Really the only change from old contract to new is the elimination of FSB. Remove that and yes lineholders MAY see more reassignments. (Will need several months of data to compare)

goinaround 10-02-2024 03:05 PM

18 hr callout is fantastic for me. Sitting rsv from 2 states away at the moment. Home 22 days last month. The OP is a clown.

11atsomto 10-02-2024 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3841330)
It has been a couple months now with new reserve rules fully implemented. I feel that qol has decreased significantly under the new contract. Line holders are constantly being reassigned as if now on reserve. Reservest are being abused. New reserve lines are not working as described or designed. Hopefully next contract fixes these issues and models south west or deltas approach.

The amount of people above the g line intentionally bidding reserve should at least give a diagnostic of what the QOL for reserve is.

Could you be more specific as to which new reserve lines are not working as described or designed?

Extenda 10-02-2024 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by goinaround (Post 3841419)
18 hr callout is fantastic for me. Sitting rsv from 2 states away at the moment. Home 22 days last month. The OP is a clown.

If you guys are curious, there are lots of complaints at Delta about SCs being abused in an effort to negate the 18 hour call out and payback days (a unique stipulation to reserve premium for us, making reserve premium pickups one of the best deals delta pilots have)

Most categories will have every single person awarded short call. The company is fine paying out the 1 hour credits if it prevents them having to award a premium trip.

I live local, have always bid reserve and don't mind the extra pay, but most people are not happy about it.

scns77 10-02-2024 03:55 PM

Ah and it doesn't surprise me that people will continue to chase the almighty dollar....... the company has figured all of you out

sdj1986 10-02-2024 05:58 PM

Mostly positive. Biggest negative I see is the layovers have gotten worse. I loved 3 day trips with day 2 off. I had lots of fun on long JAC/FCA/PWM layovers. They have mostly gone away, since they cost the company more money now.

worstpilotever 10-02-2024 06:23 PM

your NB QOL will go up by bidding a WB. (and not the fake 757/767 WB)

sdj1986 10-02-2024 08:24 PM

I'd love to.... if they ever have a WB vacancy again

JTwift 10-03-2024 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by C11DCA (Post 3841412)
Really the only change from old contract to new is the elimination of FSB. Remove that and yes lineholders MAY see more reassignments. (Will need several months of data to compare)

to be clear, FSB hasn’t “gone away.” It’s still an option for the company to OFFER them. You just can’t be assigned them like you can a SC. FSB costs the company 3 hours regardless of if you’re used.

personally, as a commuter, I’d MUCH rather sit a FSB than a SC, since it’s only a 4 hour block (instead of 14). But since the 3 hours of pay, the company just doesn’t build them anymore. (I got converted to FSB once off of a SC, so the 4 hours of pay was really nice, but it’s incredibly rare now).

md11pilot11 10-03-2024 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3841510)
to be clear, FSB hasn’t “gone away.” It’s still an option for the company to OFFER them. You just can’t be assigned them like you can a SC. FSB costs the company 3 hours regardless of if you’re used.

personally, as a commuter, I’d MUCH rather sit a FSB than a SC, since it’s only a 4 hour block (instead of 14). But since the 3 hours of pay, the company just doesn’t build them anymore. (I got converted to FSB once off of a SC, so the 4 hours of pay was really nice, but it’s incredibly rare now).

I would pick up FSB every single day being local. I already pick up a SC every day that I can get one.

Swakid8 10-03-2024 10:29 AM

I am bidding 93 percent in my BES as a Captain and a commuter… The only gripe I have is reign in the 1-day SCs targeting guys with HDOs the next following day…

But other than that, it takes being in the top 30 percent in my BES just to hold a VEC rsv line and or a non-profile rsv line… That causes lines to go below the g-line….

Word is about how terrible LCL rsv lines are…. Let’s just say, that word should stay out about how terrible LCL lines are (stomp stomp stomp)…….

fostro 10-03-2024 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by goinaround (Post 3841419)
18 hr callout is fantastic for me. Sitting rsv from 2 states away at the moment. Home 22 days last month. The OP is a clown.

Agreed WB callout is great! Fyi I'm in domicile, non-commuter.

In Unity...

JTwift 10-03-2024 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3841594)
I am bidding 93 percent in my BES as a Captain and a commuter… The only gripe I have is reign in the 1-day SCs targeting guys with HDOs the next following day…

the 1 day SCs are out of control. Completely agree.

libertyrisk 10-03-2024 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by md11pilot11 (Post 3841559)
I would pick up FSB every single day being local. I already pick up a SC every day that I can get one.

Serious question... why would you aggressively pick up SCs (aside from it being the choice of SC pickup or a really crappy trip)?

I let them assign me SCs last month and, of course, they went wild assigning them to me but I hit my 6 assigned SCs fairly quickily and spent my last 8 days of reserve on LC and was never used. I'm NB so maybe it's a different mindset WB but I only flew 5 days last month on TRV.

TOGALOCK 10-03-2024 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by libertyrisk (Post 3841731)
Serious question... why would you aggressively pick up SCs (aside from it being the choice of SC pickup or a really crappy trip)?

I let them assign me SCs last month and, of course, they went wild assigning them to me but I hit my 6 assigned SCs fairly quickily and spent my last 8 days of reserve on LC and was never used. I'm NB so maybe it's a different mindset WB but I only flew 5 days last month on TRV.

Don’t get used, get an hour of pay. Not a bad dice roll if you live in base. Especially if it’s a SC where you determine that you’re unlikely to be used.

Maybe not worth the risk for some on first year pay, but for someone more senior up the pay scale bidding reserve by choice it can bid up quick. On the captain side, even the lowest pay scale captains can easily clear an extra $1000/month with zero effort at all.

sdj1986 10-03-2024 07:15 PM

Anyone have any juicy rumors about when the next vacancy bid will be? It's been 2 months now...

Outof410 10-03-2024 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by sdj1986 (Post 3841754)
Anyone have any juicy rumors about when the next vacancy bid will be? It's been 2 months now...

I have been wondering the same. Guessing it will be very soon.

worstpilotever 10-03-2024 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by sdj1986 (Post 3841754)
Anyone have any juicy rumors about when the next vacancy bid will be? It's been 2 months now...

tomorrow..

KnightNight 10-04-2024 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by sdj1986 (Post 3841754)
Anyone have any juicy rumors about when the next vacancy bid will be? It's been 2 months now...

Displacemrnt bid has to close, then they will see where things fall my guess first week November

PK387 10-04-2024 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by KnightNight (Post 3841780)
Displacemrnt bid has to close, then they will see where things fall my guess first week November

Displacement bid closed on Sep 30, and vacancy bids should pick up again in October. See the Sep 16 CRU.

Outof410 10-04-2024 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by PK387 (Post 3841859)
Displacement bid closed on Sep 30, and vacancy bids should pick up again in October. See the Sep 16 CRU.

They might be watching the Boeing strike closely. If our deliveries will be taking a further hit soon, no need for a ton of upgrades until it’s back on track. That’s pure speculation though.

PK387 10-04-2024 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Outof410 (Post 3841868)
They might be watching the Boeing strike closely. If our deliveries will be taking a further hit soon, no need for a ton of upgrades until it’s back on track. That’s pure speculation though.

New vacancy bid just posted, beginning at noon today.

jdavk 10-04-2024 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by sdj1986 (Post 3841754)
Anyone have any juicy rumors about when the next vacancy bid will be? It's been 2 months now...

Lol. We used to go YEARS between vacancy bids, but I definitely prefer the more frequent ones! :)

TOGALOCK 10-04-2024 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by PK387 (Post 3841880)
New vacancy bid just posted, beginning at noon today.

Holy widebody upgrades Batman! Nice to see it.

worstpilotever 10-04-2024 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 3841761)
tomorrow..

Pretty much crushed that one. You are all welcome.

Pilot4000 10-04-2024 03:08 PM

My friend that flies the 756 says things haven't changed a lot for him, but when there is an issue it usually results in a lot of extra pay.

11atsomto 10-04-2024 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by libertyrisk (Post 3841731)
Serious question... why would you aggressively pick up SCs (aside from it being the choice of SC pickup or a really crappy trip)?

I let them assign me SCs last month and, of course, they went wild assigning them to me but I hit my 6 assigned SCs fairly quickily and spent my last 8 days of reserve on LC and was never used. I'm NB so maybe it's a different mindset WB but I only flew 5 days last month on TRV.

Serious Answer......Well you sort of answered your own question...but I would add that the fact it is in open time is a probably a pretty good indicator of the crappiness of the trip, furthermore.... since the likelihood of you braking guarantee is incredibly slim....a real productive trip.....as a reserve just means the only entity being productive .......is the company off of your free labor.

Also if you live in base and you would rather be at home......you have the "chance" of not going to work.

Lastly the chess playing part of it is.........it blocks you for the next calendar day as well. Kind of like staying ahead of the airplane you know.

JimmyDean 10-05-2024 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3841330)
It has been a couple months now with new reserve rules fully implemented. I feel that qol has decreased significantly under the new contract. Line holders are constantly being reassigned as if now on reserve. Reservest are being abused. New reserve lines are not working as described or designed. Hopefully next contract fixes these issues and models south west or deltas approach.

im VEC reserve. I worked 6 days in September and credited 102 hours. I think my QOL under this contract is pretty good.

737 CA LAX

8200

nemich 10-05-2024 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by JimmyDean (Post 3842163)
im VEC reserve. I worked 6 days in September and credited 102 hours. I think my QOL under this contract is pretty good.

737 CA LAX

8200

I see less than a half VEC offered in Nov plan in my category, so looks like company aware of that))

Grumble 10-05-2024 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3841330)
It has been a couple months now with new reserve rules fully implemented. I feel that qol has decreased significantly under the new contract. Line holders are constantly being reassigned as if now on reserve. Reservest are being abused. New reserve lines are not working as described or designed. Hopefully next contract fixes these issues and models south west or deltas approach.

The Toddlers are still trying to hang on it seems.

This contract is orders of magnitude better than that POS you idiots shat out, that was voted down by NINETY FOUR PERCENT.

Take the L, or keep being a tool, over to you.

SoFloFlyer 10-06-2024 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3841330)
It has been a couple months now with new reserve rules fully implemented. I feel that qol has decreased significantly under the new contract. Line holders are constantly being reassigned as if now on reserve. Reservest are being abused. New reserve lines are not working as described or designed. Hopefully next contract fixes these issues and models south west or deltas approach.

My QOL under the new contract has been exponentially better. Really enjoying the new rules, so not sure what you’re getting at.

11atsomto 10-06-2024 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3842303)
My QOL under the new contract has been exponentially better. Really enjoying the new rules, so not sure what you’re getting at.

I ve found so far that the first two months have been very predictable to what the Scheduling committee forecasted in thier UGAPUMA.....or whatever it was called that they published in July. Worth referencing if one is contemplating any of the new special reserve types.

Again they recommend some types for people who live in base and others (LC) for those that commute.


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