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Otterbox 11-27-2024 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 3856198)
I am surprised, because they get a 37% haircut on every dollar of that cash.

you don’t like how conservative the CBP is…make your PRAP more aggressive to make up the difference.

Don't forget state and local taxes Medicare and Medicare surcharge taxes Union dues... 39.35% - 50% depending on location.

Even then cash over cap is the best situation long term (13000@6% < [email protected]% over 20+ years). Pilot groups should be pushing for abolishing MBCBPs and RHAs.

Short of that, MBCBPs > RHAs for the inheritability aspect.

fostro 11-27-2024 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by AF OneWire (Post 3856110)
These must be all the guys I fly with who have boats, RVs, and planes.

LOL. OMG the toys these WB Captains have! Can't wait, let's hope it's sooner than later, I'm tired of worrying about the traffic on the 101 knowing my car might overheat. LOL

In Unity...

UALinIAH 11-27-2024 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by EAFF95 (Post 3856216)
Make your PRAP more agressive... bud they give us 15 options to choose from and the most aggressive is the "total stock market".

The reduced cap on PRAP company contributions is crap for people in the younger years of their career. Currently, I can contribue $10850 of my own money and have 70k of my retirement in the stronger PRAP. If i contribute $10850 now I get $57k into my PRAP and $13k into essentially a bond fund. So make the difference up I need to contribue the $22k or whatever the IRS limit is. So more money out of my pocket to acheive the same thing for a minimal return on investment. At my age I'd rather have the extra $10k in liquidity than put it into a bond fund.

At least the spill into the HRA/AHA is useful to use and it's also tax leveraged.

HRA is tax free. Pre tax money, growth untaxed, and not taxed on withdrawals. I know some of you already have more than the recommended $315,000 needed for medical in retirement but my hunch is most don't.

As far as aggressive options, you do know you can sweep everything into your Schwab PCRA brokerage account and get pretty damn aggressive. You can even trade leveraged stuff. Hell Vanguard doesn't let you do that.

WXS15 11-27-2024 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3856245)
As far as aggressive options, you do know you can sweep everything into your Schwab PCRA brokerage account and get pretty damn aggressive. You can even trade leveraged stuff. Hell Vanguard doesn't let you do that.

​​​​​​[/s] Yeah, but they won't let me sell naked calls

UALinIAH 11-27-2024 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by WXS15 (Post 3856248)
​​​​​​ Yeah, but they won't let me sell naked calls

LOL Well there's that

KnightNight 11-28-2024 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3856245)
HRA is tax free. Pre tax money, growth untaxed, and not taxed on withdrawals. I know some of you already have more than the recommended $315,000 needed for medical in retirement but my hunch is most don't.

As far as aggressive options, you do know you can sweep everything into your Schwab PCRA brokerage account and get pretty damn aggressive. You can even trade leveraged stuff. Hell Vanguard doesn't let you do that.


I’m not in that income bracket yet but isn’t the max HRA spill 10,000$ a year? That would be a lot of years to get to $300,000

UALinIAH 11-28-2024 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by KnightNight (Post 3856526)
I’m not in that income bracket yet but isn’t the max HRA spill 10,000$ a year? That would be a lot of years to get to $300,000

That's something that was put in to appease the high earners who wish to limit spill until the MBCBP is in place. It only affects spill from the company for money above the IRS max income set each year. For 2024 the Max income limit was $350k. So after about $403k you get the 17% as PRAP Cash paid in the pay period after it occurred. If you self fund your PRAP you can push more money into the RHA if that's your goal.

Again this is all current and goes away if the LOA passes.

ERAUAV8TR 11-28-2024 02:18 PM

Dont see any positives within this loa except for if you are almost done here. Hurts the youngsters starting out with decades to go. Maybe why the oldest reps voted for it and young ones against.

AF OneWire 11-28-2024 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by KnightNight (Post 3856526)
I’m not in that income bracket yet but isn’t the max HRA spill 10,000$ a year? That would be a lot of years to get to $300,000

If you fund the after tax 401K (immediately rolled into Roth) You can get a lot more RHA spill. Another option would be forfeited vacation. I ended up with over 45K HRA spill this year. I’m not super excited about that much since I have Tricare, but I’m trying to get as much Roth money as I can.

L8Z8 12-02-2024 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3856245)
As far as aggressive options, you do know you can sweep everything into your Schwab PCRA brokerage account and get pretty damn aggressive. You can even trade leveraged stuff. Hell Vanguard doesn't let you do that.

There's an option to spill after the 415(c) limit into the PCRA? Would this be taxable cash?


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