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AF OneWire 11-27-2024 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 3856100)
Some won't be financially able to max out their PRAP due to present and past circumstances.

These must be all the guys I fly with who have boats, RVs, and planes.

Swakid8 11-27-2024 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by PK387 (Post 3856107)
That’s basically the conclusion that I’ve come to: this LOA is a good deal for WB CAs and/or those in their late 50s or older. But it’s not a good deal for the majority of our pilots.

Look at the demographics of who’s pushing for a yes vote…..

They all have the same talking points not realizing that this takes away the choice for majority of the pilots here on maximizing their PRAP contributions….

Its all good, already submitted my no vote….

RatherBeVFR 11-27-2024 07:30 AM

Reading all this, why haven’t we already submitted a plan to the IRS? That’s so frustrating to me.

What is the estimated implementation if we vote no? Seems like we screwed up the implementation language in UPA23.

FlyPurdue 11-27-2024 07:54 AM

I am quite surpised that so many of you like 'PRAP Cash.' The fact that it goes away with this LOA is more than enough reason for a yes vote.

PK387 11-27-2024 08:31 AM

You’re surprised that people like cash?

FlyPurdue 11-27-2024 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by PK387 (Post 3856197)
You’re surprised that people like cash?

I am surprised, because they get a 37% haircut on every dollar of that cash.

you don’t like how conservative the CBP is…make your PRAP more aggressive to make up the difference.

PK387 11-27-2024 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 3856198)
I am surprised, because they get a 37% haircut on every dollar of that cash.

But it’s trivially easy to show that, for someone like me with decades to go, you could take a 50% haircut and still come out way ahead compared to having your tax-deferred dollars locked into the CBP with its low equity allocation. Not to mention the fact that you can do other stuff with cash too if you have other priorities in your life.


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 3856198)
you don’t like how conservative the CBP is…make your PRAP more aggressive to make up the difference.

The fact that I can take more risk elsewhere in my portfolio to make up for the drawbacks of this LOA is nowhere near a good enough reason for me to vote yes.

ThumbsUp 11-27-2024 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 3856198)
I am surprised, because they get a 37% haircut on every dollar of that cash.

you don’t like how conservative the CBP is…make your PRAP more aggressive to make up the difference.

Because you have to take an equivalent (for many of us) haircut on the RMD or maybe more, it doesn’t take much time to make up the difference given the low performance of the underlying investments in the CBP.

EAFF95 11-27-2024 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 3856198)
I am surprised, because they get a 37% haircut on every dollar of that cash.

you don’t like how conservative the CBP is…make your PRAP more aggressive to make up the difference.

Make your PRAP more agressive... bud they give us 15 options to choose from and the most aggressive is the "total stock market".

The reduced cap on PRAP company contributions is crap for people in the younger years of their career. Currently, I can contribue $10850 of my own money and have 70k of my retirement in the stronger PRAP. If i contribute $10850 now I get $57k into my PRAP and $13k into essentially a bond fund. So make the difference up I need to contribue the $22k or whatever the IRS limit is. So more money out of my pocket to acheive the same thing for a minimal return on investment. At my age I'd rather have the extra $10k in liquidity than put it into a bond fund.

At least the spill into the HRA/AHA is useful to use and it's also tax leveraged.

FlyPurdue 11-27-2024 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by EAFF95 (Post 3856216)
Make your PRAP more agressive... bud they give us 15 options to choose from and the most aggressive is the "total stock market".

The reduced cap on PRAP company contributions is crap for people in the younger years of their career. Currently, I can contribue $10850 of my own money and have 70k of my retirement in the stronger PRAP. If i contribute $10850 now I get $57k into my PRAP and $13k into essentially a bond fund. So make the difference up I need to contribue the $22k or whatever the IRS limit is. So more money out of my pocket to acheive the same thing for a minimal return on investment. At my age I'd rather have the extra $10k in liquidity than put it into a bond fund.

At least the spill into the HRA/AHA is useful to use and it's also tax leveraged.

in our PRAP you can buy any individual equity, far and beyond the target funds.


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