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LJ Driver 11-07-2024 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3850802)
can you explain what you mean by setting it to 100% pre and post tax? How can you have 200%? Or am I not reading what you mean correctly?

Sure, on the Schwab PRAP website and app there is a contribution section. The options are for both pre-tax (to $23.5k in 2025) and post-tax ($23.5-70k in 2025), and a dollar amount or percentage of pay for each. Setting them both to 100% makes as much of your paycheck as possible go to the 401k. The pre-tax bucket is filled first, then the post-tax bucket is started and is filled until the total reaches $70k (more if over 50).

60av8tor 11-08-2024 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3850728)
do you feel like typing up the benefits of it? I had someone mention it once, but I’m just not sure about its value, I guess?


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 3850759)
just put the $128/mo into the FSA… unless you have family members with lots of med issues it’s really not necessary IMO.

Agree with the above. I'll be stopping the supplemental this election period. Mixed feelings with the FSA due to the use it or lose aspect.

ThumbsUp 11-08-2024 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3850680)
The Tricare supplement qualifies as a UA med plan, thus an AHRA.



I don't do it, but pretty sure the answer is yes.

I’m surprised that anyone uses the supplemental considering how crappy it is. Maybe the AHRA makes it worthwhile? In general, tricare supplementals for retirees are only good if you are within about 1k of the cap. I have no idea what the reservist plans cost, though.

ThumbsUp 11-08-2024 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3850868)
Agree with the above. I'll be stopping the supplemental this election period. Mixed feelings with the FSA due to the use it or lose aspect.

The FSA is gold. You can fund it to any amount you wish. You can use it to buy bandaids if you want. The list of qualified medical expenses is huge. It’s like saving 35% on every purchase.

topcat 11-09-2024 12:13 AM

Didn't see anyone mention putting money in an IRA account after 401k is maxed out.

EWRflyr 11-09-2024 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by Merequetengue (Post 3850618)
so in your case, the advantage of maximizing early is to spill on the HRA that I'm assume is tax free? Or what's the difference or disadvantage if you let the company maximize your 401k, and you save the 23k on your bank account and use it for medical bills if needed?
thanks for your time and wisdom.

Yes, the spill to the Active HRA is tax free and can be used for eligible medical expenses.

The maximum the company can contribute will not max out the 401k. For 2024, the maximum eligible compensation limit is $345,000. 17% of that is $58,650 below the 401k cap for both under 50 and over 50. In order to maximize it, an employee would have to put in something. How much will depend on whether the pilot wants to have spill or not into the Active HRA or RHA.

I'm over 50, so it's actually $30,500 for me this year ($31,000 in 2025). By putting the money in now while I'm in my prime earning years in the highest tax brackets I will be, I save income taxes on $30,000+ per year. I wil pay taxes on that money in retirement when I'm certainly not going to be making the money I make now and I'll be in a lower tax bracket. And this money has the opportunity to grow before retirement. If I decided to have this as take home pay, with federal and my local taxes that will turn into less than $20,000. Putting that into a basic savings or money market account will not come close to off setting the taxes on that, plus I have very few health care expenses at all.

UALinIAH 11-09-2024 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 3851064)
I'm over 50, so it's actually $30,500 for me this year ($31,000 in 2025). By putting the money in now while I'm in my prime earning years in the highest tax brackets I will be, I save income taxes on $30,000+ per year. I wil pay taxes on that money in retirement when I'm certainly not going to be making the money I make now and I'll be in a lower tax bracket. And this money has the opportunity to grow before retirement. If I decided to have this as take home pay, with federal and my local taxes that will turn into less than $20,000. Putting that into a basic savings or money market account will not come close to off setting the taxes on that, plus I have very few health care expenses at all.

It's not always that simple though. Our youngsters are more often than not better off putting their money in as Roth and taking the tax hit now. 20-30 years of growth tax free more often than not offsets the initial tax hit. Everyone should do your research or spend the $ to get advice on it. When you start getting close to retirement and see how much tax you're going to pay when you do start withdrawing (and the Medicare increase you'll pay) it can be eye opening lol. But these are 1st world problems thankfully.

glassnpowder98 11-10-2024 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3851190)
It's not always that simple though. Our youngsters are more often than not better off putting their money in as Roth and taking the tax hit now. 20-30 years of growth tax free more often than not offsets the initial tax hit. Everyone should do your research or spend the $ to get advice on it. When you start getting close to retirement and see how much tax you're going to pay when you do start withdrawing (and the Medicare increase you'll pay) it can be eye opening lol. But these are 1st world problems thankfully.

When you look at required minimum distribution numbers for someone who could realistically have a $10 million+ portfolio after a long career at a legacy, those numbers are pretty staggering and would put you in a high tax bracket. Currently RMDs on $10 million are $377k when they start at age 73 and $625k at age 85- which is going to produce a hefty tax bill. There is a lot of guesswork as to what the future tax code is going to be as well as what inflation does to the tax brackets, but personally I don’t see taxes decreasing in the long run with the way our government spends money.

As someone who was fortunate enough to get hired with the potential of just under 30 earning years, I make Roth contributions to hopefully limit RMDs in retirement to only the company contributions, limiting my future tax liabilities. Obviously you could take this a step further and do a Roth conversion on company contributions to have virtually zero tax liabilities in retirement, however I enjoy spending money on enjoying life now instead of writing a big check to uncle sam every year for the tax bill on the conversion.

Everyone’s situation is different and again it depends on guessing what you think will happen with tax codes in the future, but just wanted to throw another scenario out there.

LJ Driver 11-10-2024 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by glassnpowder98 (Post 3851225)
Everyone’s situation is different and again it depends on guessing what you think will happen with tax codes in the future, but just wanted to throw another scenario out there.

Also depends very much where you currently reside and where you intend to be in retirement.

AF OneWire 11-10-2024 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3851190)
It's not always that simple though. Our youngsters are more often than not better off putting their money in as Roth and taking the tax hit now. 20-30 years of growth tax free more often than not offsets the initial tax hit. Everyone should do your research or spend the $ to get advice on it. When you start getting close to retirement and see how much tax you're going to pay when you do start withdrawing (and the Medicare increase you'll pay) it can be eye opening lol. But these are 1st world problems thankfully.

That’s why you should do both. Max out the before tax contributions, then do after tax contributions immediately converted to Roth. This will give you Roth and non Roth dollars in retirement allowing you to manage your tax rate. Only downside is more RHA spill which will go away once we figure out the Market Based Cash Balance plan.


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