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Originally Posted by cal73
(Post 3915986)
flew with a newhire that was a p-8 pilot in a parallel life. He said the Poseidon has an eicas. It was one quick leg only so I didn’t have a good opportunity to press the idea but I was floored when he said that. Anyone confirm?
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Eicas is one thing but how hard is it to train a pilot on an "auto" button for anti-ice or cabin temp?
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Originally Posted by WXS15
(Post 3916023)
This also indicates United pilots are not the only ones who can’t resist touching the screens with thier greasy paws. |
Originally Posted by Swakid8
(Post 3916018)
Easy to design an airplane to military needs if they pony up the money and not have to deal with the FAA in terms of certifications beyond the aircraft type….
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
(Post 3916080)
This right here. Military planes aren’t technically FAA certified. The military gets what the military wants because it doesn’t have that red tape from the FAA.
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
(Post 3916121)
They also weren't concerned about somebody being able to fly the P-3 and the P-8 on the same trip!!! Definitely a different "bid position."
In the anti-ice case I think it's silly since it doesn't matter if you leave it on with the CFM-56 so just add logic and a sensor to turn it off on the Max. The procedure can stay exactly the same and the computer will protect against inattention. The certification authorities are making them provide 3 AOA sensors standard so making them add an ice detector or an over temp sensor isn't too big a deal. We're going to be flying this junk until the single pilot version comes out so we may as well pressure them to make it right and retrofit the rest of the fleet. |
Originally Posted by tallpilot
(Post 3916163)
I think from a human factors standpoint that's the biggest issue.
In the anti-ice case I think it's silly since it doesn't matter if you leave it on with the CFM-56 so just add logic and a sensor to turn it off on the Max. The procedure can stay exactly the same and the computer will protect against inattention. The certification authorities are making them provide 3 AOA sensors standard so making them add an ice detector or an over temp sensor isn't too big a deal. We're going to be flying this junk until the single pilot version comes out so we may as well pressure them to make it right and retrofit the rest of the fleet. |
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
(Post 3916168)
I would love to see the flip switching that would happen on a 737 single pilot. It would look like something out of the matrix.
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Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3916169)
there will be no single pilot era. the reliability required to permit single pilot flying permits pilotless flying. we will go straight from 2 to zero.
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Originally Posted by khergan
(Post 3916174)
How soon do you see that coming?
They would first have to design and build a pilotless plane that could fit into the existing ATC infrastructure. That's probably a decade or more away. Right now Boeing and Airbus are selling almost every plane they make so there's not a lot of incentive to spend money on something like this. Also the cost of the plane would likely far outweight the operating costs of an existing design build and the cost of pilots. Keep in mind that any new pilotless plane has a whole new set of costs. If the FAA isn't certifying the MAX 7/10 for some minor stuff, they aren't just going to run out and certify a plane without pilots without years of testing, which most manufacturers won't want to do. As long as Boeing keeps building 2 pilot planes, we will need 2 pilots to fly them. |
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