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prex8390 08-25-2025 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3941893)
There are over 250 Airbus on order, not counting options. That's more than enough to replace all the older A320s and A319s as well as the entire 757 fleet and have planes left over.

The 737 MAX 10s are being converted to MAX 9s for now. We just converted 48 MAX 10s to 9s just a few weeks ago which is why the new hire classes went from estimating 200 a month in November to 200 a month starting in September. The first 2 classes of September are already being filled. 60 in each class.


Removing the A350 (because they aren't coming ever) order from that count, the Airbus on order wouldn't cover all the 319/320 and 757s. There is 182 NEO and XLR orders to cover 217 hulls between the 757/319/320 on property today. There is currently 286 guppy's on order still to be fulfilled

United also sends of the 319s to smaller destinations. DSM, GRB, TYS, CID, FAR etc. I don't see, personally, a NEO (and likely never an XLR) getting sent to places like that. They'll use a guppy 800 to replace it.

Just my two cents, there is far larger future for Boeing NB than Airbus NB in the next 5-10 years. A smaller fleet, a pilot friendly aircraft, with highly desirable flying will get stagnant and stay senior.

KnightNight 08-25-2025 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 3942060)
Removing the A350 (because they aren't coming ever) order from that count, the Airbus on order wouldn't cover all the 319/320 and 757s. There is 182 NEO and XLR orders to cover 217 hulls between the 757/319/320 on property today. There is currently 286 guppy's on order still to be fulfilled

United also sends of the 319s to smaller destinations. DSM, GRB, TYS, CID, FAR etc. I don't see, personally, a NEO (and likely never an XLR) getting sent to places like that. They'll use a guppy 800 to replace it.

Just my two cents, there is far larger future for Boeing NB than Airbus NB in the next 5-10 years. A smaller fleet, a pilot friendly aircraft, with highly desirable flying will get stagnant and stay senior.

I personally feel 737 flying is better than 320, better destinations, less legs, but that’s my version of better

HE2019 08-25-2025 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3942043)
We will see what the “huge” NBCA vacancy looks like in November, but they’ve (crew resources) already said it’s going to be the coasts (EWR and SFO). I’m guessing the vast majority will be 737

Genuine question - Where’s the word “huge” coming from? I’ve read all the recent crew resource updates about the NB CA vacancies this fall, and none of them have mentioned anything about size. It could be 10 vacancies, could be 100. I’ve seen a few others calling it a “huge” upcoming NB CA vacancy as well. I’m wondering if I missed something or if that’s just hearsay.

GPullR 08-25-2025 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3941893)
There are over 250 Airbus on order, not counting options. That's more than enough to replace all the older A320s and A319s as well as the entire 757 fleet and have planes left over.

The 737 MAX 10s are being converted to MAX 9s for now. We just converted 48 MAX 10s to 9s just a few weeks ago which is why the new hire classes went from estimating 200 a month in November to 200 a month starting in September. The first 2 classes of September are already being filled. 60 in each class.

Those 250 airbuses are spread out over a long time. The OP wanted to know in next 2 to 3 years. 737 will have way more growth.

FriendlyPilot 08-25-2025 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3942090)
Those 250 airbuses are spread out over a long time. The OP wanted to know in next 2 to 3 years. 737 will have way more growth.

59 NEOs to be delivered between now and the end of 2026. This doesn't include the XLR deliveries. So I would say that is a significant number. Also 20-24 787s are going to cause a lot of movement as well that we didn't have this year.

ThumbsUp 08-25-2025 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 3942060)
Removing the A350 (because they aren't coming ever) order from that count, the Airbus on order wouldn't cover all the 319/320 and 757s. There is 182 NEO and XLR orders to cover 217 hulls between the 757/319/320 on property today. There is currently 286 guppy's on order still to be fulfilled

United also sends of the 319s to smaller destinations. DSM, GRB, TYS, CID, FAR etc. I don't see, personally, a NEO (and likely never an XLR) getting sent to places like that. They'll use a guppy 800 to replace it.

Just my two cents, there is far larger future for Boeing NB than Airbus NB in the next 5-10 years. A smaller fleet, a pilot friendly aircraft, with highly desirable flying will get stagnant and stay senior.


I think it will be a mixed bag. The longer range stuff won’t appeal to many (me included). But the fleet as a whole is already somewhat stagnant. I don’t see that changing even with the addition of new aircraft.

FriendlyPilot 08-25-2025 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 3942060)
the Airbus on order wouldn't cover all the 319/320 and 757s. There is 182 NEO and XLR orders to cover 217 hulls between the 757/319/320 on property today.

Your numbers are incorrect.

Here's the current count.

44 321 NEOs delivered already.
86 321-271 to be delivered.
40 leased 321 coming 2026-2027
60 321-251 were supposed to be delivered after 2030 but they are moved up and we are taking other airlines deferred slots. We start getting them in 2026 now.
50 321 XLR.

This is 280 321s total. They keep adding planes to the order book, as other airlines have cancelled their deliveries. You can see them all on the Fleet Website.

Outof410 08-25-2025 11:11 AM

I could be wrong but I was told we are getting more 321’s than 737’s between now and the end of 2026?

% wise that’s much larger growth on the A320 then the 737 due to current fleet sizes. The unknown is the old 320 retirements. That being said, some of our 737’s are getting older too?

FriendlyPilot 08-25-2025 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Outof410 (Post 3942123)
I could be wrong but I was told we are getting more 321’s than 737’s between now and the end of 2026?

% wise that’s much larger growth on the A320 then the 737 due to current fleet sizes. The unknown is the old 320 retirements. That being said, some of our 737’s are getting older too?

59 NEOs and 56 MAX by the end of 2026 (from today). So yes its less by 3 planes. 48 MAX 10s were converted to MAX 9s and a numch of 321s previously 2030 deliveries now 2026. Which is why they are ramping up hiring starting in September.

I wonder if this will move up the large vacancy bid from November to September?

SoFloFlyer 08-25-2025 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 3942060)
Removing the A350 (because they aren't coming ever) order from that count, the Airbus on order wouldn't cover all the 319/320 and 757s. There is 182 NEO and XLR orders to cover 217 hulls between the 757/319/320 on property today. There is currently 286 guppy's on order still to be fulfilled

United also sends of the 319s to smaller destinations. DSM, GRB, TYS, CID, FAR etc. I don't see, personally, a NEO (and likely never an XLR) getting sent to places like that. They'll use a guppy 800 to replace it.

Just my two cents, there is far larger future for Boeing NB than Airbus NB in the next 5-10 years. A smaller fleet, a pilot friendly aircraft, with highly desirable flying will get stagnant and stay senior.

Kirby recently told an upgrade class that the A350s were still on the table. Something to do with the engine deal that was signed years ago is below market value.

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