We just had a bid in February of this year where pilots under 3 years were getting Airbus CA, and it wasn't even a very big bid. Also we haven't had a Narrowbody bid since then, only a couple backfills, so to say "its gone senior" isn't really accurate since when you only have one backfill and its someone with 7,000 seniority number that's because its only one person so it isn't a fair picture of actual seniority.

Ever wonder if American was American despite of him or if he brought American to United?

It's really a semantic difference. It doesn't matter whether it's because we haven't had many NBCA vacancies recently or because more senior people are bidding it. The end result is the same: nobody in a new hire class (like BusBoi) should realistically be thinking they're going to snag a CA slot in indoc. That ship has sailed. (I missed it by one week lol).

It's anybody's guess whether the next NBCA bid will see those slots going to people with 2, 3, 4, or more years on property. The current snapshot reflects the FOMO we keep mentioning -- the very large number of senior FOs who delayed jumping the trash bag because they figured NBCA would always be available. When that dried up, it left a lot of them stuck in the right seat. In recent months as the new hire CAs finished upgrade training and started flying, a lot of those senior FOs wound up flying with people *way* junior to them.

And so I think you're going to continue to see a lot of those guys bidding NBCA in every foreseeable vacancy bid until they are awarded it. I can literally name 8 of my friends whom this describes perfectly, and that's just *one* BES I'm talking about, let alone all of our NB bases and aircraft types.

Regardless, though -- it's still incredible and unprecedented movement.

If you listen to Kirby on podcasts he wasn't allowed to implement hardly anything over there. Almost every time he tried to make a difference, he was shot down by Parker. American would be a much different airline right now if they had just let Kirby run it.

Yes, but their call sign would be "Cactus"

Without getting into details…… yup !

In addition to the previous responses, I'll add that this scenario is fairly unlikely in your time horizon. You'll more than likely get both the hours and the time before you'll get awarded a vacancy.

that bid was the largest 320 ca bid i think we have ever had. It was definetly not the norm. 80 ca 320 in ord?? Not the norm.

Just curious, I am aware that new hires were being awarded NB CA in indoc - but why? Is there a sizable cadre of lifetime FOs or is there something else?

I don’t think you’ve read any of what Adam Smith actually wrote. Or maybe you’re being sarcastic.

But to suggest our system is “capitalism” is hilarious. Our government picks winners and losers all the time. The amount of government intervention in our system doesn’t resemble capitalism in any sense of what that word means. We also don’t have free markets. Which for our industry a good thing. See cabotage.

But I generally agree with your sentiment that a golden parachute for a CEO that destroys a company brings to mind the “moral hazard” term that became so popular after the 2008 financial crisis. Negligence and crooked practices should be punished.

I certainly prefer our system to whatever you want to call China or even European countries and Canada have.