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SoFloFlyer 01-11-2026 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 3990917)
I got bored and ran some numbers. With 600 retirements/year, to reach 65% system seniority requires

4.5 years at 7% annual growth, which would put United close to 25K pilots by summer 2029
5.5 years at 5% annual growth (24K pilots, summer 2030)
7 years at 3% ( 23K pilots, winter 2033)

We weren’t far off! I think the bigger variable is the WB deliveries as that plays a big factor with NB upgrades. Fingers crossed!

yellowNEO 01-12-2026 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 3990917)
I got bored and ran some numbers. With 600 retirements/year, to reach 65% system seniority requires

4.5 years at 7% annual growth, which would put United close to 25K pilots by summer 2029
5.5 years at 5% annual growth (24K pilots, summer 2030)
7 years at 3% ( 23K pilots, winter 2033)

This is a really good breakdown with reasonable numbers based on varying growth projections.

The 22,000-24,000 pilot seniority list makes perfect sense based on United NEXT projections for net airframe growth. That said, I have no idea how they were able to throw out a 28,000-30,000 pilot group size - with a straight face - to new hires just 1-2 years ago.

FlyingSlowly 01-13-2026 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3990968)
We weren’t far off! I think the bigger variable is the WB deliveries as that plays a big factor with NB upgrades. Fingers crossed!

Hopefully it's not all going to get staffed via displacement bids... and I don't just mean 756 west coast...

We have a large number of 777 out of service presently... the duration of some of these remains anybody's guess.

Displacements off an aging and parked WB fleet that's being slowly retired can most certainly preclude new WB upgrades and motion!

symbian simian 01-13-2026 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 3990802)
that might happen for a period of time, but there’s just no way that is sustainable.

Call nbca 66% system seniority. In a homogeneous system with no growth you would get there 1/3 of the way to retirement. Average 30 year career = 10 years. Growth will bring that down some but 3 or even 5 years just cannot stand long term.

It all depends how many senior people stay as NBFO (or WBFO). Just looked an open day trip NBFO. Desired by 10, 5 of those would be in the top 50% as NB captains, 1 could hold WB captain in base. If nobody bypasses with a single fleet/single base I agree with you, but with all the options at UAL it becomes more fuzzy IMO.

VacancyBid 01-13-2026 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3991621)
It all depends how many senior people stay as NBFO (or WBFO). Just looked an open day trip NBFO. Desired by 10, 5 of those would be in the top 50% as NB captains, 1 could hold WB captain in base. If nobody bypasses with a single fleet/single base I agree with you, but with all the options at UAL it becomes more fuzzy IMO.

yes the details are fuzzy but there is some systemwide seniority that will hold sfo nbca … and its not 98%. Is it 66? is it 75? You can argue. One way or another, United will stop massive sustained growth soon, and it will then take awhile to go from 100% to 75%

symbian simian 01-14-2026 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 3991653)
yes the details are fuzzy but there is some systemwide seniority that will hold sfo nbca … and its not 98%. Is it 66? is it 75? You can argue. One way or another, United will stop massive sustained growth soon, and it will then take awhile to go from 100% to 75%

Absolutely. I totally agree. And I think as growth slows I think it will take make better seniority to hold NBCA. Required seniority was at an all time low during record growth a few years ago, and has since crept up, validating my theory somewhat.


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