Did he give out information to reporters and adversaries for the sole purpose of undermining the DOW and POTUS? That’s the allegation.

So if Iran was such a threat to the US and the world, then

why didn’t we go in with a global coalition to fight Iran with as many resources as possible?

why did we not get Congress approval to go to war?

why are no countries coming to help us now that we have picked a fight no one else wanted to fight?


So now, we as pilots will take hits on profit sharing as oil prices climb. As consumers we will pay more at the pump. As parents we may see our kids go fight a war that has no endgame or real strategy other than they hoped the people would rise up and take over the long established government of Iran. The US is not great right now. The rest of the world is watching us like a belligerent drunk on the street corner arguing with a trashcan.

It's embarrassing to be on an overnight in another country.

A reporter was included in the Signal chat, so… there’s that. They basically discredited themselves.

Anywho, back to the topic at hand. Are we tired of winning yet?

careful there …..the response will be you have TDS for having genuine concerns and asking reasonable questions. This after making up conspiracy theories about former key personnel of this administration.

Everyone feel better about their political BS? Take it somewhere else it’s not what this thread is about. Go find a political chat board and have at it.

let me it sum it up:

you like Trump or you don’t there is no middle ground no one says Trump?? Meh….

There will never be agreement on anything so why keep trying?

MODs I have reported several posts about being political. Please help here.

American soldiers and civilians are dying and you’re worried about profit sharing?!?! Stand by for the mob…. @Turbosina? Where you at? School this fool with your outrage.

Do Libya, DO LIBYA!!!!

In all seriousness, between the two only one was funding multiple proxies, killing tens of thousands of their people, and only one garnered genuine fear from the other middle eastern states. Are we suddenly against women’s rights and freedom? It’s no coincidence that you can draw a straight line between Irans funding of Hezbollah/Hamas/Houthis… and money given to the regime by the Obama and Biden admins.

Big picture, this is also about Russia and China. Russia just lost one of their biggest weapons suppliers and China has now lost 20% of their energy supply. BRICS is dead, the petro dollar is secure, and Russia is now coming back to the table. China has seen all their top tier military hardware and exports fail, spectacularly, as has the rest of the world. Aside from no one buying their stuff anymore, they now have to seriously reevaluate whether they think they have a snowballs chance of invading Taiwan.

Gotta look beyond the short term future to the long term, third order effects and beyond. You seriously worried about your kids not fighting future wars? Strong analysis says we’re ending them now.

I don't agree with this. Sure, we took out 20% of China's oil, but it will cost us 20% of the S&P.

We also just depleted our stock pile of cruise missiles. And over the next 6 months, we will diminish out supply of Patriot missiles. The only way to replenish those is to deficit spend... which hurts us and strengthens BRICS.

While Russia might fold, we are allowing Iranian oil tankers to pass and are lifting sanctions on Iran and Russia. That will strengthen the BRICS. It will take us longer to recover from this operation than it will take China to pay a bit more for oil.

No that was just plain incompetence, because a particularly dumb infantry officer, who never held command and never reached the rank of Lt Col isn’t qualified to run the entire DOD.

It’s funny that you are arguing dereliction of duty is worse than criminal negligence. Why are you so concerned about the actions of low ranking staffers while refusing to hold cabinet members and elected leadership accountable?

[QUOTE=Grumble;4015777]American soldiers and civilians are dying and you’re worried about profit sharing?!?! Stand by for the mob…. @Turbosina? Where you at? School this fool with your outrage.

Do Libya, DO LIBYA!!!!

In all seriousness, between the two only one was funding multiple proxies, killing tens of thousands of their people, and only one garnered genuine fear from the other middle eastern states. Are we suddenly against women’s rights and freedom? It’s no coincidence that you can draw a straight line between Irans funding of Hezbollah/Hamas/Houthis… and money given to the regime by the Obama and Biden admins.

Big picture, this is also about Russia and China. Russia just lost one of their biggest weapons suppliers and China has now lost 20% of their energy supply. BRICS is dead, the petro dollar is secure, and Russia is now coming back to the table. China has seen all their top tier military hardware and exports fail, spectacularly, as has the rest of the world. Aside from no one buying their stuff anymore, they now have to seriously reevaluate whether they think they have a snowballs chance of invading Taiwan.

Gotta look beyond the short term future to the long term, third order effects and beyond. You seriously worried about your kids not fighting future wars? Strong analysis says we’re ending them now.[/QUOTE

Okay Big Brain strategist, point to a single Middle East war that lead to a peaceful outcome. In fact, point to any war that ended all wars. What you’re doing is combining a classic Middle East quagmire with WW1 optimistic thinking which each contributed to more wars in the Middle East and WW2 which is just laughable.

And what do you think happens when Russia can’t sell their oil and China lost access to friendly allies that sell oil? Do you think the 2 countries that share a border will just buy and sell oil to each other? Do you think China will stop using economic pressure to bully smaller countries into selling them oil? Why do you think America is the only one that can bully allies into doing what they want? And destroying NATO and ASEAN only leads to a smaller, less capable allies force, and nowhere is it more obvious than the allies we have abused refusing to secure the SOH.

Nut hey, POTUS says the war is over and the strait is secreted, so ignore those missiles that your lying eyes see! We’re in talks with Iran to secure guarantees that are identical to the JCOPA but it cost thousands of people their lives, hundreds of billions of tax dollars and dozens of ballistic missiles hitting our base but hey it’s all worth people forgetting that the president is named over a million times in a criminal, pedophile sex ring and our elected leaders have lied, mislead and dragged their feet releasing the files they swore they wanted to release. But don’t worry, we brought the Clintons in to testify in front of Congress even though they are mentioned about 990,000 fewer times. When is the President going to be forced to testify under oath?

Agree 100%