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https://www.businessinsider.com/unit...ran-war-2026-3

We’re trimming the fat so JetBlue can buy us

Say goodbye to three of the twelve daily ORD-DSM turns 😢

GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER

Meh.

First of all revenues are at an all time high according to management.

Last year we announced the same thing, cutting 4% of flights temporarily and yet those flights all came back, we still took deliveries of planes, announced a bunch of new International routes and we hired over 800 pilots just in the last 6 months of the year.

We will still hire, take planes and those flights will all come back in the fall plus the growth we will get from the new planes. We will still end 2026 with more cash than any other airline.

Its going to hurt profits, but I can imagine that the money losing airlines like Spirit, JetBlue, Frontier, American are going to get creamed this year if fuel prices stay elevated.

Mahhhh lawddd the kool-aid is strong 😂

This literally happened last year. Go back and look at what the predictions were of the derps on APC (furloughs etc) and see what really happened. United will take 135 planes total this year and keep growing and be even larger a year from now.

Its not "kool-aid" its that you can't get over your doomer hatred for United.

It’s really only 3% a couple hundred flights off peak summer schedule.

1% comes from TLV and DBX
1% comes from the ORD fiasco.

adding 130 new planes including a couple dozen 787s…..come on in the water is fine.

no planned cuts headed into fall or winter.

😂 I didn’t say anything “doom haterish” towards UAL.

Sweet hypocrisy to mention 4 airlines and state “they are going to get creamed.”

Have fun being an irrelevant mouthpiece for Mr. Scott.

Koolaide? He literally just summarized factual history. Everything he said happened.

First two paragraphs I’ll give you.

Last two are speculation at its finest.

"Right sizing"

United has $17B in cash, exactly for times like this. Kirby also has a proven track record of being aggressive in downturns. Since you seem to be implying to the contrary, what evidence do you have that United won't continue to be aggressive?

This is how it works for the doomer pessimists and United haters. If Kirby says something positive then its automatically not real and nobody believes its going to happen. Plus anyone who mentions it is a cheerleader or drinking the kool-aid. If he says we are cutting 4 or 5% of fights for a few months then its fact and the furloughs will start soon and we should "get our house in order" whatever that means.

bingo

if you have ever listen to Kirby speak you know the plan.

Exactly 100% correct, no reductions in new planes, hiring and no furloughs. I strongly believe this is 100% the plan. Problem is in this business plans always change.

If the younger generation of new hires think there’s not gonna be furloughs, concessionary contracts at a minimum, if not worse in your careers. I’ve got swamp land in South Florida to sell you. No fear mongering get your financial house in order, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. They manage we fly!

DECLARE YOUR INTEREST SIR (British Accent) 👨🏻‍⚖️

If you don't think that the airlines holding on by a thread won't get hurt if gas prices stay high you're more of a cool aid drinker than the UAL cheerleaders.

If oil prices continue to rise and gets over 200 a barrel,even if it’s temporary, some things will change, whether or not people choose to believe it or accept it is up to them.
The heavy loads we are seeing now, I believe most of those tickets and plans were bought and made months ago, so you can’t rely on those numbers.
We will see what this summer brings, that’s what will tip the scales.

Not to get political, but the administration that half the country voted for need to get us out of this mess as soon as possible before irreversible damage occurs. We were doing just fine before it was decided that Iran needed to be bothered, even though no president has done so since Carter.

As the military folks say, it’s time to unfaulk what you have done.

if it stays near $120 for very long you are going to see the same thing.

If that’s how you took what I said then that was not my intention at all.

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Then what was your intention? Because the tone you conveyed initially was one of mocking and snide toward someone just regurgitating information as it was presented. We're all in the same industry (I presume). We all understand there can be a delta between what is planned/communicated and what actually happens. But those things don't happen in a vacuum. United has very clearly been prepping for this, as evidenced by both Kirby's past rhetoric and current balance sheet.

So, speculation or not, what do you feel is the likely outcome for United this year? If you're going to criticize someone else for stating an opinion, which was really just affirming the opinion of our leadership, have the courage to at least put your own prediction out there.

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The person I originally quoted has a knack for “dooming” on other airlines all while saying how amazing everything is going at UA.

Chill…. Here’s an 🧊 to help you get started.

He was not celebrating their demise or anything of the sort, we was making a commentary about their business economics.

Sure, American actually made a less than 0.5% of its revenues in 2025 using the higher, adjusted (non-GAAP) $237 million profit number. This fuel hit at AA is $400 million in Q1 alone. Probably much more significant in Q2 and Q3 at least. Even if they keep up with pricing power, it's a delicate dance when break-even is so tenuous.

Frontier might actually be not much worse off either since it has the most Neos and lowest CASM in the domestic industry. But both of these require the operator to maintain strong pricing power with the higher fuel to take advantage of their network strengths (AA) or low CASM (F9)...

Definitely not welcome news for B6 with lots of legacy A320 (& A321) or especially NK as they see their remaining fleet shift toward the older, more fuel-thirsty airframes.

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Finally, 5% is hardly anything to even note when TLV and DXV each represent 1%, and the other 3% is largely the ORD mess that everyone has known about for weeks...

They were so wildly inaccurate, the only reason they hit the ground is because of gravity.

I knew one front seater who insisted that if the balloon went up on a Saturday he was going to dial up the B-61 yield to offset his hangover. If the yield is big enough, CEP becomes pretty much a moot point.

It ain’t like betting quarters at the range.

genuinely asking here: what’s the difference between year 10, year 20, and year 30? And when the counter terrorism director Joe Kent quits citing Iran posed no immediate threat eve after 30 years ….(45 years by the real terrorist states account) then what are we supposed to think/do ?

He didn’t quit, he was fired for leaking classified intel.

You mean, like what the Secretary of Defense did last year on Signal?

Did he give out information to reporters and adversaries for the sole purpose of undermining the DOW and POTUS? That’s the allegation.

So if Iran was such a threat to the US and the world, then

why didn’t we go in with a global coalition to fight Iran with as many resources as possible?

why did we not get Congress approval to go to war?

why are no countries coming to help us now that we have picked a fight no one else wanted to fight?


So now, we as pilots will take hits on profit sharing as oil prices climb. As consumers we will pay more at the pump. As parents we may see our kids go fight a war that has no endgame or real strategy other than they hoped the people would rise up and take over the long established government of Iran. The US is not great right now. The rest of the world is watching us like a belligerent drunk on the street corner arguing with a trashcan.

It's embarrassing to be on an overnight in another country.

A reporter was included in the Signal chat, so… there’s that. They basically discredited themselves.

Anywho, back to the topic at hand. Are we tired of winning yet?

careful there …..the response will be you have TDS for having genuine concerns and asking reasonable questions. This after making up conspiracy theories about former key personnel of this administration.

Everyone feel better about their political BS? Take it somewhere else it’s not what this thread is about. Go find a political chat board and have at it.

let me it sum it up:

you like Trump or you don’t there is no middle ground no one says Trump?? Meh….

There will never be agreement on anything so why keep trying?

MODs I have reported several posts about being political. Please help here.

American soldiers and civilians are dying and you’re worried about profit sharing?!?! Stand by for the mob…. @Turbosina? Where you at? School this fool with your outrage.

Do Libya, DO LIBYA!!!!

In all seriousness, between the two only one was funding multiple proxies, killing tens of thousands of their people, and only one garnered genuine fear from the other middle eastern states. Are we suddenly against women’s rights and freedom? It’s no coincidence that you can draw a straight line between Irans funding of Hezbollah/Hamas/Houthis… and money given to the regime by the Obama and Biden admins.

Big picture, this is also about Russia and China. Russia just lost one of their biggest weapons suppliers and China has now lost 20% of their energy supply. BRICS is dead, the petro dollar is secure, and Russia is now coming back to the table. China has seen all their top tier military hardware and exports fail, spectacularly, as has the rest of the world. Aside from no one buying their stuff anymore, they now have to seriously reevaluate whether they think they have a snowballs chance of invading Taiwan.

Gotta look beyond the short term future to the long term, third order effects and beyond. You seriously worried about your kids not fighting future wars? Strong analysis says we’re ending them now.

I don't agree with this. Sure, we took out 20% of China's oil, but it will cost us 20% of the S&P.

We also just depleted our stock pile of cruise missiles. And over the next 6 months, we will diminish out supply of Patriot missiles. The only way to replenish those is to deficit spend... which hurts us and strengthens BRICS.

While Russia might fold, we are allowing Iranian oil tankers to pass and are lifting sanctions on Iran and Russia. That will strengthen the BRICS. It will take us longer to recover from this operation than it will take China to pay a bit more for oil.

No that was just plain incompetence, because a particularly dumb infantry officer, who never held command and never reached the rank of Lt Col isn’t qualified to run the entire DOD.

It’s funny that you are arguing dereliction of duty is worse than criminal negligence. Why are you so concerned about the actions of low ranking staffers while refusing to hold cabinet members and elected leadership accountable?

[QUOTE=Grumble;4015777]American soldiers and civilians are dying and you’re worried about profit sharing?!?! Stand by for the mob…. @Turbosina? Where you at? School this fool with your outrage.

Do Libya, DO LIBYA!!!!

In all seriousness, between the two only one was funding multiple proxies, killing tens of thousands of their people, and only one garnered genuine fear from the other middle eastern states. Are we suddenly against women’s rights and freedom? It’s no coincidence that you can draw a straight line between Irans funding of Hezbollah/Hamas/Houthis… and money given to the regime by the Obama and Biden admins.

Big picture, this is also about Russia and China. Russia just lost one of their biggest weapons suppliers and China has now lost 20% of their energy supply. BRICS is dead, the petro dollar is secure, and Russia is now coming back to the table. China has seen all their top tier military hardware and exports fail, spectacularly, as has the rest of the world. Aside from no one buying their stuff anymore, they now have to seriously reevaluate whether they think they have a snowballs chance of invading Taiwan.

Gotta look beyond the short term future to the long term, third order effects and beyond. You seriously worried about your kids not fighting future wars? Strong analysis says we’re ending them now.[/QUOTE

Okay Big Brain strategist, point to a single Middle East war that lead to a peaceful outcome. In fact, point to any war that ended all wars. What you’re doing is combining a classic Middle East quagmire with WW1 optimistic thinking which each contributed to more wars in the Middle East and WW2 which is just laughable.

And what do you think happens when Russia can’t sell their oil and China lost access to friendly allies that sell oil? Do you think the 2 countries that share a border will just buy and sell oil to each other? Do you think China will stop using economic pressure to bully smaller countries into selling them oil? Why do you think America is the only one that can bully allies into doing what they want? And destroying NATO and ASEAN only leads to a smaller, less capable allies force, and nowhere is it more obvious than the allies we have abused refusing to secure the SOH.

Nut hey, POTUS says the war is over and the strait is secreted, so ignore those missiles that your lying eyes see! We’re in talks with Iran to secure guarantees that are identical to the JCOPA but it cost thousands of people their lives, hundreds of billions of tax dollars and dozens of ballistic missiles hitting our base but hey it’s all worth people forgetting that the president is named over a million times in a criminal, pedophile sex ring and our elected leaders have lied, mislead and dragged their feet releasing the files they swore they wanted to release. But don’t worry, we brought the Clintons in to testify in front of Congress even though they are mentioned about 990,000 fewer times. When is the President going to be forced to testify under oath?

Agree 100%