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TOGALOCK 04-09-2026 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by Toedrag (Post 4021387)
Lots of reasons...we eat with trays on our laps. So, if you drop anything, it grinds into your pants under the belt. Also, the "crotch strap"...do you want that thing actually touching your clothes? Sh!t, urine, menstrual...you get the idea. One final note...have you ever spilled water on the seatbelt? The black filth that comes off of it from all of the years of use is disgusting.


Originally Posted by Toedrag (Post 4021457)
Freak me out, hardly. You too must be a treat to fly with, just like the napkin wearers! I’m kidding of course…

We all do things that may seem odd to others. I’m not an alcohol wipe person myself, but if that’s someone’s gig, fine.

The point was to explain why someone might use a napkin, not to criticize one way or another.

We all see some quirky stuff. I do my best not to judge and maybe learn something too.


This is meme page material overload.

Grumble 04-09-2026 11:30 PM

After all reading this, it’s a lot easier to understand why some insane people were (and still are) mask nazis.

Menstrual blood on the strap? No words for the level of stupidity that post took.

HwkrPlt 04-10-2026 05:49 AM

I'm not sure Toedrag is very familiar with how the female body works.

Toedrag 04-10-2026 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by TOGALOCK (Post 4021675)
This is meme page material overload.

First, my apologies for offending everyone, not my intent. It was a poor attempt at slight humor / hyperbole while answering the original question. I’ll leave it at that.

ReadOnly7 04-10-2026 08:51 AM

I’m not putting the seat belt in my mouth. We come in contact with all sorts of microscopic nastiness all day long, and with basic hygiene you should be fine. Wiping the flight deck down as if you’re performing surgery is laughable. You’re still gonna touch nasty $hit and end up touching your face at some point. And….GASP…..you’re gonna be just fine.

11atsomto 04-10-2026 09:07 AM

Pee and Poo, washing hands.
We have a diverse pilot group. We have pilots whose parents were doctors who are more aware than others, we have germaphobes,.....

1st world, 3rd world...what exactly is a 2nd world? To me you either come from a country where you wipe your butt and throw into the toilet or you come from a country where you throw it in an adjacent waste basket. We have MANY pilots who come from the latter.

To some when the bear witness both visually and olfactory to "Open dedication" say in India.......some freak out...some shrug their shoulders and say something like "It's the third world: what were you expecting?"...which one do you think toedrag is? Imagine if Airbus ever pulled off their single pilot toilet ops initiative?

FlyPanAm 04-10-2026 09:15 AM

Surprised the last snapshot had 777 CA drop to 5,000+ system seniority in EWR. Great news. Hopefully it holds.

VacancyBid 04-10-2026 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by FlyPanAm (Post 4021833)
Surprised the last snapshot had 777 CA drop to 5,000+ system seniority in EWR. Great news. Hopefully it holds.

some of that is running a bid with system seniority numbers that are nearly a year old

11atsomto 04-10-2026 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPanAm (Post 4021833)
Surprised the last snapshot had…………………. Great news. Hopefully it holds.

Remember when you just bid what you wanted, and wanted what you bid? ……Some people probably DO NOT remember that. Not the the snapshot isn’t a useful resource, but the demand for it is a direct result of people’s desire to bid what they think they could hold.

If only there was a percentage tool, like award SFO 320 CA at 55% and lower…………..oh wait there is.

FriendlyPilot 04-10-2026 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPanAm (Post 4021833)
Surprised the last snapshot had 777 CA drop to 5,000+ system seniority in EWR. Great news. Hopefully it holds.

Should go lower each bid as we get more 787s. 50 more coming in the next 2 years only helps everyone. I wonder how junior it will go when we get the remaining 136 left to be delivered?

Swakid8 04-11-2026 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 4022024)
Should go lower each bid as we get more 787s. 50 more coming in the next 2 years only helps everyone. I wonder how junior it will go when we get the remaining 136 left to be delivered?

We will see as as some 767/777s get parked

Excargodog 04-11-2026 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 4022231)
We will see as as some 767/777s get parked

Yeah but…

in the time it takes to get the remaining 136 aircraft AND the 767s and 777s get parked (and who knows how long that will be) United will ALSO still be retiring ~55 pilots a month. That alone is some non trivial movement.

Grumble 04-12-2026 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog;[url=tel:4022290
4022290[/url]]Yeah but…

in the time it takes to get the remaining 136 aircraft AND the 767s and 777s get parked (and who knows how long that will be) United will ALSO still be retiring ~55 pilots a month. That alone is some non trivial movement.

I can’t see any of those getting parked, or even the newer LCAL 757’s. Still a lot of life left in those birds (especially the LCAL 777’s), and a paid off airplane can be wildly profitable even if its hourly operating cost is higher than the latest and greatest. Just look at Delta, it’s almost their identity . Look how long they held on to their MD-80’s.

FriendlyPilot 04-12-2026 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 4022568)
I can’t see any of those getting parked, or even the newer LCAL 757’s.

The published fleet plan shows no 767s or 777s parked by the end of the year. We do have some 777s awaiting maintenance but those planes are all coming back.

We won't know about the 2027 fleet plan until Jan as it gets published with the annual earnings for the previous year.

Also the plan shows no 757s getting parked, but they did say some of them might get parked in 2027 on a 1 for 2 (1 parked for 2 delivered) with the XLR. They expect to keep the 757-300s until 2035 as the CASM is the lowest of any plane we have.

Anything can change, but they've been very clear about the plan and "taking advantage of opportunities" and you can't do that if you park too many planes.

iahflyr 04-12-2026 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 4022582)
The published fleet plan shows no 767s or 777s parked by the end of the year. .

That assumed something like $60/barrel oil and a growing economy.

Give it about a month but I think you’ll see some more concrete capacity reductions based on the price of jet fuel and the potential shortage of it. I would bet United starts parking the 757-200 and 767-300 sooner than planned.

ClappedOut145 04-12-2026 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPanAm (Post 4021833)
Surprised the last snapshot had 777 CA drop to 5,000+ system seniority in EWR. Great news. Hopefully it holds.

Junior 756 CA has just under 4 years on property

FriendlyPilot 04-12-2026 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 4022586)
That assumed something like $60/barrel oil and a growing economy.

Give it about a month but I think you’ll see some more concrete capacity reductions based on the price of jet fuel and the potential shortage of it. I would bet United starts parking the 757-200 and 767-300 sooner than planned.

An exact quote from Kirby you can find online:

“To be clear, nothing changes about our longer-term plans for aircraft deliveries or total capacity for 2027 and beyond, but there’s no point in burning cash in the near term on flying that just can’t absorb these fuel costs.”

He said they will temporarily reduce some flying with lower utilization but the words "nothing changes about our longer-terms planes for deliveries/capacity" means to me that permanently parking planes to a temporary increase in fuel prices isn't something he's going to do.

Don't take my word for it. He said it publicly.

FriendlyPilot 04-12-2026 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 4022605)
Junior 756 CA has just under 4 years on property

Weird that just this past fall we had people saying that no post-pandemic hires would see NB CA again for "5-10 years" and here we are with 4 year 756 CA.

Deliveries ramping up and retirements ramping up over the next 3 years. Should be fun to watch.

FriendlyPilot 04-12-2026 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by Mickey (Post 4019325)
Sizable is relative. ;) Much less than last vacancy, I had expected more with all of these big hiring plans.

Over 150 NBCA reductions.

Weird how we somehow have "NBCA reductions" but at the same time they are awarding both 737 and Airbus CA in multiple bases on this bid that were unfilled. And to pilots with less than 4 years on property.

Swakid8 04-12-2026 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 4022290)
Yeah but…

in the time it takes to get the remaining 136 aircraft AND the 767s and 777s get parked (and who knows how long that will be) United will ALSO still be retiring ~55 pilots a month. That alone is some non trivial movement.

Thos 757s/767s/777s aren’t going to fly forever…. Some of those 787s will be growth in gauge and replacements with 756 flying shrink. Those 756 senior daddies and mommas will eventually retire or displace over to a different WB seat when that time comes…

Freds Ex 04-12-2026 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 4022568)
I can’t see any of those getting parked, or even the newer LCAL 757’s. Still a lot of life left in those birds (especially the LCAL 777’s), and a paid off airplane can be wildly profitable even if its hourly operating cost is higher than the latest and greatest. Just look at Delta, it’s almost their identity . Look how long they held on to their MD-80’s.


Delta owns a refinery, which during cheap oil times may or may not be worth the headache, but during expensive oil times it significantly insulates them from the jet-fuel crack spread which allows them to operate fuel guzzlers at a much better margin than UA. However in this fiasco it is within the realm of possibility that oil is going to go so high that demand destruction obliterates refining margins for DL.


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 4022586)
That assumed something like $60/barrel oil and a growing economy.

Give it about a month but I think you’ll see some more concrete capacity reductions based on the price of jet fuel and the potential shortage of it. I would bet United starts parking the 757-200 and 767-300 sooner than planned.

Depends on whether they want to keep pushing for market share or not.... The 752/763 might get moved back to SFO just to keep ASMs steady there with the reduced arrival capability.

Grumble 04-12-2026 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 4022586)
That assumed something like $60/barrel oil and a growing economy.

Give it about a month but I think you’ll see some more concrete capacity reductions based on the price of jet fuel and the potential shortage of it. I would bet United starts parking the 757-200 and 767-300 sooner than planned.

The advantage with a paid off airplane is you can park and store them without incurring any real costs but savings in fuel and insurance.

Swakid8 04-13-2026 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 4022605)
Junior 756 CA has just under 4 years on property

latest snap shot shows 5 years on property

VacancyBid 04-13-2026 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 4022787)
latest snap shot shows 5 years on property

looks like four to me

maxru 04-13-2026 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 4022951)
looks like four to me


one month UNDER four years

JackpotAir 04-13-2026 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by maxru (Post 4022977)
one month UNDER four years

TLDR: they’re junior

11atsomto 04-13-2026 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 4022951)
looks like four to me


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 4022787)
latest snap shot shows 5 years on property


Originally Posted by maxru (Post 4022977)
one month UNDER four years


We start at First Year pay and during this period we are often labeled “a first year FO” but that’s when we’ve been here for zero years.
I’m not sure what’s the correct nomenclature but the bigger picture of the relative juniority is most surprising to me.

Turbosina 04-13-2026 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 4022787)
latest snap shot shows 5 years on property

How is 756CA going more junior than Guppy CA? Genuine question...

ThumbsUp 04-13-2026 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 4023019)
How is 756CA going more junior than Guppy CA? Genuine question...

Better seniority progression would be my guess. The g lines between the two in EWR are nearly a decade apart. That 10 year seniority difference doesn’t get you much in terms of the quality of a line either.

ReadOnly7 04-13-2026 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 4023019)
How is 756CA going more junior than Guppy CA? Genuine question...

learning 5 different airplanes for a measly boost in pay. Stagnant AF. Crappy flying when you’re junior, which you will be for much longer than 737. I certainly have considered it, but it’s not worth the jump.

AMC190 04-13-2026 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 4023040)
learning 5 different airplanes for a measly boost in pay. Stagnant AF. Crappy flying when you’re junior, which you will be for much longer than 737. I certainly have considered it, but it’s not worth the jump.

To each its own! Whatever makes you happy! Dude

ThumbsUp 04-13-2026 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by AMC190 (Post 4023044)
To each its own! Whatever makes you happy! Dude

? That seems like what would be an obvious take.

F15andMD11 04-13-2026 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4023039)
…That 10 year seniority difference doesn’t get you much in terms of the quality of a line either.

That’s the truth!😳 Glad I got my international flying jollies out of my system. I'm fine with just transcons now. Rather that than all LHR. But I will need to trade to make them commutable. That’s at 12 yrs.😎

11atsomto 04-13-2026 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 4023040)
learning 5 different airplanes for a measly boost in pay. Stagnant AF. Crappy flying when you’re junior, which you will be for much longer than 737. I certainly have considered it, but it’s not worth the jump.

If our training center was in El Segundo, making our long training accommodations in Redondo Beach…..I’d do it. But 16th street mall……that juice ain’t worth the squeeze.

Turbosina 04-13-2026 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 4023040)
learning 5 different airplanes for a measly boost in pay. Stagnant AF. Crappy flying when you’re junior, which you will be for much longer than 737. I certainly have considered it, but it’s not worth the jump.

This is true. I thought about 756FO (I'd be pretty darn senior) but looked at the SFO bid packages. Ah, no thank you...

Swakid8 04-13-2026 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 4023019)
How is 756CA going more junior than Guppy CA? Genuine question...

If you want to be in EWR going to LHR all the time…. Yeah, no thanks. I’ve had better trips as a junior guppy CA than junior EWR756CA.

Had a buddy get stuck with being a junior 756CA forgetting to pull their bid.

VacancyBid 04-13-2026 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 4023092)
If you want to be in EWR going to LHR all the time…. Yeah, no thanks. I’ve had better trips as a junior guppy CA than junior EWR756CA.

Had a buddy get stuck with being a junior 756CA forgetting to pull their bid.


LHR ... if only. EWR 756 has a substantial domestic component. Plug there will get forced into a line doing a bunch of Basic ANF.

Swakid8 04-13-2026 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 4023121)
LHR ... if only. EWR 756 has a substantial domestic component. Plug there will get forced into a line doing a bunch of Basic ANF.

Its been awhile…. I know just know and remember it being crappy…

Turbosina 04-13-2026 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 4023067)
If our training center was in El Segundo, making our long training accommodations in Redondo Beach…..I’d do it. But 16th street mall……that juice ain’t worth the squeeze.

Oh come on, what's not to love? 😜

ClappedOut145 04-14-2026 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 4023092)
If you want to be in EWR going to LHR all the time…. Yeah, no thanks. I’ve had better trips as a junior guppy CA than junior EWR756CA.

Had a buddy get stuck with being a junior 756CA forgetting to pull their bid.

Global reserve on the 756 or lineholder on the737/320. Easy decision. The 756 is a paycut in aggregate. Unless you live in base and need your ego stroked there’s no reason to suffer that life.


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