Agree 100 percent

uughhh. Thats kind of A LOT of our workgroup

Any analysis on the award?

Holy EWR777CA juniority!!!!

Junior EWR756CA is a June 2022 hire. That's 4 years on property by the time they hit training. Pretty incredible, even if that flying won't be anything approaching good for quite a while. Still opportunities to pick good trips up at the last minute on days off, perhaps.

Widebody CA down to 53xx, although in actuality that's probably around 5000 on the active list given retirements since last August.

I'm curious what is going to happen to widebody CA once the 756 fleet is gone. Since the 767s are being replaced by 787s it stands to reason that the widebody CA number will fall below its current location as the mid-pay 756 fleet is replaced in part by widebodies. Could it fall to 7000 or more? Obviously we won't know until those fleets are gone which is years off, but it's something I've been curious about.

Beyond that, plenty of widebody FO slots awarded to folks <3 years on property.

Incredible to see EWR 777 FO go to a 160xx number! I believe that’s Q4 2023 hire?

Amazing how junior these positions went. And this is probably the first of many WB heavy bids.

what does that make wba doh? by way of comparison, delta wba recently went to 2014. good times on the way for all it seems.

I’m roughly 1,000 numbers away from widebody captain in any base, I was hired in 2007. I’m not including 756, as that’s what I am now.

For all hired prior to 2019 maybe. Those of us hired 2025+ will not have remotely close to those career expectations. Not even in the same galaxy.

You don't work at UA so it's no big deal.

Well then you should have gotten yourself hired in 2019. #lifechoices

you should be able to change that on your roblox airline sim. just go to settings and change your doh. easy.

Notice they just attack me rather than dispel what I’m saying. Just food for thought for any new hires getting excited at seeing captain upgrades of 3 years and people thinking they’re gonna be 15+ year WB captains. Unless you were hired before ~2021, it won’t be you.

Using the seniority calculator in CCS, anyone can figure out when they’ll be above 5000 and hold WB CA and figure out this is categorically untrue unless you’re over about 35 years old and hired in 2025.

Stop posting s4it that’s untrue, even I’m starting to think you don’t work here.

I was hired in 2024, ill hold captain fall vacancy bid

Can we vote RSTrollberry off the island?

So someone hired in 2025 in their low-mid 30s won't ever hold WBCA? I knew that a lot of young people were hired but didn't realize it was that young.

This is blown way out of proportion, imo. Sure, it would have been great to beat the COVID wave, but younger people hired in 2025 and beyond should still have great careers.

Based on the numbers I’m seeing, a 30 year old hired today should finish around seniority number 750-800. Someone who’s 35 today should retire around 2700-2800. Still an absolutely fantastic career any way you slice it.

Can’t say definitively, but I would bet, yes someone hired today at 30 there is a better than average chance there are probably 5000 pilots 30 or younger already on property. CAL had a pretty young group at the SLI, and post merger new hires make up 2/3 of the 19k pilots on property now.

Anyone in their early 30’s hired in the last year, go to the seniority calculator in CCS, and run the “pilots younger and senior to you” list and tell us how many that is.

And have to factor in growth which we don’t know. Last 6 years has been excellent, what future knows no one knows but the math won’t be good at any company based purely on retirements

5000 pilots in their 20's? No way. more like 700. I'm a recent hire, 30yo and I'll retire in the 600s.

Interesting data! Guess I'll have to check when I get on property.

Looking to be 31ish when hired based on current projections. Would be curious how the numbers look!

the problem with growth is where do you put all those additional planes? all the others are growing as well. in addition, is atc going to get more efficient (because they have a say as well). a ceo can mouth off about massive growth, however, the infrastructure has to grow as well. are we building more airports, ramps, runways, parking lots, etc etc.

Hardly mouthing off as United has been the fastest growing airline over the last 5 years by far. The idea that there is nowhere to park planes and that the NAS will not be able to handle UA’s growth is ridiculous. Not all airlines are growing. Some are shrinking, some might no longer exist. United is taking market share from some airlines etc…

Also some of the new frames will replace older frames as well…. It would be foolish to think that the older frames will fly forever…

This year shows 135 new planes coming in and about 20 being parked (all older Airbus). That's the published fleet plan for 2026. Next year who knows?

did the Delta “wall” fall on the true WB (330/350) or the 764?

if it’s the 764 apples to apples can’t be compared since United flies them all on the same fleet. The 764 “wall” fell at United years ago.

who cares. 764/5 at dl pays top rate ($484). is it top rate at ual? it looks like happy learned how to putt.

In the case of the 764 it's identical to 777/787 pay. So the senior end of the 75/76 pilot pool (at least on the east coast) can just bid for 764 trips. Not sure if much 764 flying is available for the other bases.

yes when you fly the 764 you get 787/777 pay.

the most junior 764 pilot at dl flies nothing but. pay is 100% 330/350 pay. top pay. what are we missing?

yeah and the most junior person on the 756 at United can get a 764 and payed WB….not sure what you are missing.

number 13000

Friendly, my man…. Those NGs are going to get parked at some point…. Unless there’s another Narrowbody order in the chamber down the road (likely)…. There’s growth and replacements factored in.

Some numbers right off our projections.

There is a female pilot hired in late 2018 at 23 in fact she turned 23 just before class. She will hold WB Captain by 36 fly it for 29 years if she wants.

Fast forward to another 23 year old hired 6 months ago. They only will hold WB Capt last 12 years yes still good but nothing like 2018.

A friend was hired at 45 3 months ago so 20 years. He does not get below 8700

If you are over 37 you will not get senior here period. Good career yes

It’s the A330

nice!! We probably have about 2 years here until a 2012 hire gets 777/787 CA

A 45 year old getting hired at AA in 2013 would have retired as number 500. Quite the difference

Interesting. I'm not 37 but very low 30s. Ultimately there's nothing I can do about it but I'm definitely worried about being this side of the big hiring wave. Time will tell how that impacts my career, not anything I can do about it. I get bummed out when I dwell on it, so I try not to dwell.

You get bummed out?, lol Brother...........I got hired in late 2024 (after the biggest hiring wave in the history of airlines) at the geriatric age of 45...... I will lever be senior on anything. There are those that are older than me that have yet to be hired. The absolute worst thing you can do in this industry is compare your career or path to others. (Comparison is the thief of Joy) The Lost decade folks will never have career trajectory like the COVID Kids.......... In the words of Joe Dirt, just gotta keep on keeping on.