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08-20-2010 | 06:36 AM
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Will do my best as soon as I am able.
I don't expect overly informative updates, esp. when actual final language has yet to be written. I'll see the TA'd sections or entire TA before voting anyway. So the above negotiating update is about what I expect to see each week on the progress of negotiations. I am ok with that as long as there is a weekly recap on how progress is going, even if it is slow. I don't need the exact reasons things are moving fast or going slow because sometimes it is poker playing at the negotiating table. No need for every little detail to come out of what occurs at the table, IMHO. Just keep me updated on the progress.
I'm surprised your UA MEC update doesn't include even this basic brief on progress at the table.
I don't expect overly informative updates, esp. when actual final language has yet to be written. I'll see the TA'd sections or entire TA before voting anyway. So the above negotiating update is about what I expect to see each week on the progress of negotiations. I am ok with that as long as there is a weekly recap on how progress is going, even if it is slow. I don't need the exact reasons things are moving fast or going slow because sometimes it is poker playing at the negotiating table. No need for every little detail to come out of what occurs at the table, IMHO. Just keep me updated on the progress.
I'm surprised your UA MEC update doesn't include even this basic brief on progress at the table.
This is the MEC update that was posted yesterday. I agree with you. I just want to know how we are doing. This is way too big and important for all of us to keep us in the dark until the end.
If you do not mind; can I paste and copy your MEC's update and post it on the UAL Forum. I know that there are others like me that want some information (Even if it is very limited and small). Please let me know.
Thanks.
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The Joint Negotiating Committee continued this week meeting with the Company working on a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement. Proposals on sections of the contract continue to be passed to United and CAL managements who make up the "Airline Parties[/FONT]
08-20-2010 | 03:26 PM
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From the CAL MEC
Chairman’s Message
Work continues on the two separate processes involved with the merger: negotiating the JCBA and the work of the Merger Committees on seniority list integration. This week I was briefed on the progress of both the JNC and the Merger Committees as they work through their assigned tasks. I also made sure that they have all available resources needed to complete their work. As noted in last week’s MEC News, the JNC has reached agreement in principle for five JCBA sections. Progress continued this week as they presented several more of the remaining sections and I anticipate that by the end of the month we will have almost the entire contract on the table.
Chairman’s Message
Work continues on the two separate processes involved with the merger: negotiating the JCBA and the work of the Merger Committees on seniority list integration. This week I was briefed on the progress of both the JNC and the Merger Committees as they work through their assigned tasks. I also made sure that they have all available resources needed to complete their work. As noted in last week’s MEC News, the JNC has reached agreement in principle for five JCBA sections. Progress continued this week as they presented several more of the remaining sections and I anticipate that by the end of the month we will have almost the entire contract on the table.
08-21-2010 | 04:58 AM
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From the CAL MEC
Chairman’s Message
Work continues on the two separate processes involved with the merger: negotiating the JCBA and the work of the Merger Committees on seniority list integration. This week I was briefed on the progress of both the JNC and the Merger Committees as they work through their assigned tasks. I also made sure that they have all available resources needed to complete their work. As noted in last week’s MEC News, the JNC has reached agreement in principle for five JCBA sections. Progress continued this week as they presented several more of the remaining sections and I anticipate that by the end of the month we will have almost the entire contract on the table.
Chairman’s Message
Work continues on the two separate processes involved with the merger: negotiating the JCBA and the work of the Merger Committees on seniority list integration. This week I was briefed on the progress of both the JNC and the Merger Committees as they work through their assigned tasks. I also made sure that they have all available resources needed to complete their work. As noted in last week’s MEC News, the JNC has reached agreement in principle for five JCBA sections. Progress continued this week as they presented several more of the remaining sections and I anticipate that by the end of the month we will have almost the entire contract on the table.
08-21-2010 | 05:02 AM
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Hello EWRFlyer.
This is the MEC update that was posted yesterday. I agree with you. I just want to know how we are doing. This is way too big and important for all of us to keep us in the dark until the end.
If you do not mind; can I paste and copy your MEC's update and post it on the UAL Forum. I know that there are others like me that want some information (Even if it is very limited and small). Please let me know.
Thanks.
The Joint Negotiating Committee continued this week meeting with the Company working on a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement. Proposals on sections of the contract continue to be passed to United and CAL managements who make up the "Airline Parties."
This is the MEC update that was posted yesterday. I agree with you. I just want to know how we are doing. This is way too big and important for all of us to keep us in the dark until the end.
If you do not mind; can I paste and copy your MEC's update and post it on the UAL Forum. I know that there are others like me that want some information (Even if it is very limited and small). Please let me know.
Thanks.
The Joint Negotiating Committee continued this week meeting with the Company working on a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement. Proposals on sections of the contract continue to be passed to United and CAL managements who make up the "Airline Parties."
I don't see why you can't post the stuff from our MEC Updates on your forum. I'll only post the relevant negotiating stuff since it applies to both groups. I won't get myself in murky waters by posting entire MEC Updates since much of that is pilot group specific for current operations.
08-21-2010 | 06:49 PM
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Pretty informative right there!
I don't see why you can't post the stuff from our MEC Updates on your forum. I'll only post the relevant negotiating stuff since it applies to both groups. I won't get myself in murky waters by posting entire MEC Updates since much of that is pilot group specific for current operations.
I don't see why you can't post the stuff from our MEC Updates on your forum. I'll only post the relevant negotiating stuff since it applies to both groups. I won't get myself in murky waters by posting entire MEC Updates since much of that is pilot group specific for current operations.
Let's hope we do not have to do it pass October. Time will tell.
Here is hoping for the best for all of us.
10-14-2011 | 06:45 AM
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It may take five years, but they will eventually have to bargain in good faith.
(MarketWatch) -- American Airlines parent AMR Corp and its pilots may be close to a labor deal this weekend, settling a five-year dispute over compensation that has been a significant overhang to improving the company's cost structure and its stock price. The Allied Pilots Association said its board would gather for a special meeting on Saturday in preparation for a tentative deal. "AMR management has conveyed to APA their desire to make a concerted effort to conclude pilot negotiations this week," the union said in a Tuesday letter. "Recent events such as the spike in pilot retirements, volatility in the trading volume and price of AMR shares, and the additional capacity reduction for the fourth quarter announced on Monday have created a sense of urgency." Shares of AMR rose 3% premarket to $3.05. In the past week the stock has climbed 18%.
I'll believe I when it happens though.
(MarketWatch) -- American Airlines parent AMR Corp and its pilots may be close to a labor deal this weekend, settling a five-year dispute over compensation that has been a significant overhang to improving the company's cost structure and its stock price. The Allied Pilots Association said its board would gather for a special meeting on Saturday in preparation for a tentative deal. "AMR management has conveyed to APA their desire to make a concerted effort to conclude pilot negotiations this week," the union said in a Tuesday letter. "Recent events such as the spike in pilot retirements, volatility in the trading volume and price of AMR shares, and the additional capacity reduction for the fourth quarter announced on Monday have created a sense of urgency." Shares of AMR rose 3% premarket to $3.05. In the past week the stock has climbed 18%.
I'll believe I when it happens though.
10-14-2011 | 06:52 AM
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Wolfe Trahan's airline analyst Hunter Keay provided the following commentary on APA/AMR negotiations in a recent note to investors:
"APA's bargaining leverage with management increases literally every day. The union's leverage increased significantly when AMR bought 460 airplanes without pay rates in place, and mass retirements means AMR is basically relying on a good faith effort from APA to essentially allow the company to schedule fewer pilots to work more hours.
We believe that APA has decided (shrewdly, in our opinion) that AMR is in a position of bargaining weakness, and as such APA has notified management that modifications to work rules should be included as part of a broader collective bargaining agreement, not as a one-time event.
In addition, as pre-delivery payments increase for B777-300ER aircraft, AMR's bargaining position will likely only weaken (barring cancellation of the orders, which, by the way, would make us incrementally positive on the stock) - we have little doubt APA is acutely aware of this."
"APA's bargaining leverage with management increases literally every day. The union's leverage increased significantly when AMR bought 460 airplanes without pay rates in place, and mass retirements means AMR is basically relying on a good faith effort from APA to essentially allow the company to schedule fewer pilots to work more hours.
We believe that APA has decided (shrewdly, in our opinion) that AMR is in a position of bargaining weakness, and as such APA has notified management that modifications to work rules should be included as part of a broader collective bargaining agreement, not as a one-time event.
In addition, as pre-delivery payments increase for B777-300ER aircraft, AMR's bargaining position will likely only weaken (barring cancellation of the orders, which, by the way, would make us incrementally positive on the stock) - we have little doubt APA is acutely aware of this."
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