Because these are entirely new FARs, not 60 years old, created with direct ALPA involvement.

Net effect?
 

So what is everyones opinion on the net effect of the NPRM as it stands as far as a percentage of new crew required?

4-7% has been tossed about for pax carriers. A UPS bud said their union said only 3-4% for them due to
Available manpower. A reliable source at FedEx says they'll be hiring hard core of it goes through.

So how about UNICAL? 5%? Not barring any almost certain help in JCBA?

No idea. The MEC's are analyzing it as we speak.

CAL has protections to keep IRO's via the CBA where they might not be required on some of the "shorter" oceanic flights with these new rest rules. Other than that, at first glance it looks like a wash to me. We'll see what the MEC's have to say after they crunch the numbers.

I think it will be about neutral when it is all said and done. Maybe I am wrong and 2012 will have "the best staffed summer ever" at UNICAL. :rolleyes:

Agreed that the JCBA won't have us working to FAR's, BUT if the rule as finally passed allows UAL/CAL to fly 2 pilot returns from Europe, its going to cost us negotiating capital to keep the bunkie... capital I'd much rather spend on Scope.

You've got to separate regionals and majors. The net effect at most majors will probably be flat, to negative (depending on how the bunkie scene plays out). The regionals are going to have to increase staffing... especially those that fly small turboprops 6-10 legs a day.

Exactly. This NPRM will cost of something. Either directly with the wages we might give up to keep the relief pilots or the jobs sacrificed by the NPRM.

HSLD,

I thought the CAL contract was effectively FAR's. There were no limitations versus the UAL contract for flight/duty days. Again, this will be something we either pay for or we lose. But it is another chip in the company basket when it comes to leverage.

Need we also say that this POS NPRM is ALPA Endorsed! Those tool bags running ALPA are complete morons. It is high time to remove ALPA as our voice at the major airline level. They are nothing more than shills for the RJ pilots and don't have one concern about the legacy pilots, except for those golden dues dollars. We need to cut the cord, put Judas Prater and Paul Rice-a-roni on the street. Let them go try to find 500K a year jobs where they actually have to do something and are held accountable for their actions. As it stands now they get THEIRS at OUR expense.

L

Earlier poster, about 6 mos ago, said CAL mgmt had already planned that they would need to hire more when the rules came out...it was posted in the 6-10% range.

Yeah cliff - I'll be sure to walk your stuff into the chief pilot.