Blowhards
 

Just a blowhard looking for attention. God knows we have our share at UAL!

The CAL guys I know are dame fine people and I am sure they share a common vision for our future.

Like other posters have said, stick to the mutual push both MECs are staging and look at these divisive diatribes as nothing more than entertainment and off kilter personality issues aired for all to see.

I must admit it was a bit childish and juvenille. Coming from an LEC officer is the surprising part however.

If an UAL rep does this, they deserve equal condemnation.

In unity with my brothers and sisters (even if they have bigger engines)...

DV

"We also stated that, if the only way we can achieve our core contractual JCBA goals is through a long and protracted JCBA negotiations process, while this would not be our first choice, then so be it! "

So, in other words, "We have no interest in mediation or a STRIKE. Heck, the "S" word scares us....as 20% of us have crossed a picket line in the past....."

And this, an MEC member. You have got to be kidding me!

2 things - I agree that the update is not very motivating for unity.

You have to know the history behind this type of message. This message is more for MGT than the LEC. If you have followed them, you know they were VERY GOOD messages and MGT hated them. This is an attempt to re-create the original authors work. It's a good attampt, but no KR.

If you talk to Jayson, you will like what he has to say. Send him an email.

Most of us are behind this merger. Most of us know we have to be or its a long road. Both sides have strengths and weaknesses, the he said, she said was uncalled for.

Hopefully the MEC's will call this LEC into question on the purpose and or motives behind this type of message to the troops.

I will not take offense at the CAL pilot corp. I am looking forward to our working together and the above message is not where we should be. Both groups bring outstanding flight operations to the table. Lets lay the weapons on the table and we will be much better off than spewing rhetoric such as above.

Keep focused and lets clear away the debris. We need a JCBA then an SLI this is obvious.

Birdman
BTV

I did attempt to email him. In fact I attempted to email the post I put forth and I attached my name. However, the email bounced. I guess that is one way to keep the hate mail at bay. If he doesn't get any dissenting opinions then he must feel like he is really great.

To be honest I wouldn't waste the phone call on this guy. He obviously has issues that logic won't solve. We too have a few of these guys. You will meet them when our forums are combined. A pair of clowns that were the ORD reps could rival Jayson for sticking their feet in their mouths.

What is with the logic about the airplanes engines and age? I don't think that is a factor in SLI policy. He seems to enjoy being a Richard Cranium. As such he should be rewarded appropriately. I know I'll always be looking forward to our paths crossing....hopefully on his commute home.

In the meantime I'll continue with my message to Jayson:FU

L

Many of his constituency complain that he wont answer them either. Allegedly, he views himself as a student of, in fact Dubinsky's protégé. He has accomplished virtually nothing with the possible exception of getting the crew room washrooms decommissioned and moving management to reduce the size of the base by transferring flying. They have acted to punish him and the pilots for electing him.

This update is not from the same pen if you had been a fan of previous Magenta Lines. Please accept apologies from those of us who have grown wary of this LEC-REP.

Perhaps some of this is Jayson airing frustration. I have heard rumblings that at times the UAL Reps have held their noses high to the determent of getting this gd contract moving. Then again I'm sure those rumors exist on the UAL side about our guys. Still don't know if there has been an answer given as to why there are 737 staffed pilots on the UAL seniority list.

I don't think this thinking represents UAL pilots, but the last thing we need in this merger is any ego spats over whose airline was better to work at when they got hired. Talking about how many scabs each side has will not get you and I the raise we deserve any faster. I for one don't really like Jayson's tone, but this is hardly something to get p!ssed at. Focus on the real problem. It's name is personified in Jeff Sismek. You know the guy who gave you lapel pins last week.

First time I've read this rumor. Feel free to go onto skynet (you have access now) and look over the domicile line awards. It can be found in the flight operations section. If you can find someone with a line award for 737, please let us know. As an aside; I went onto CAL's version of skynet and looked up some old friends lines for October - kinda cool.:)

Can you provide some information about theses pilots? If someone shows up as a 737 pilot I would guess they may have been senior and volunteered for the furlough. Their fleet seat would not represent a different a/c since they were never trained. There were a good number of people that took voluntary furloughs or leaves of absence. Better get yourself more facts before you start dropping bombs.

Funny how you want to spin this as UAL thinking when one of your elected reps is the person that published this divisive update. I haven't seen any UA reps putting forth anything like this, thankfully.

Jayson was the one compiling all the things you guys did better and had more of. No reason not to match his greatest hits with ALL the things you have more of. Why leave out the scabs? I certainly hope Jayson knows there is more traffic in the US outside of NYC.

I hope you have contacted Jayson and expressed this sentiment.

L

At UAL, your aircraft shows up as the last one you were on when last active. So pilots on voluntary furlough, involuntary furlough, and leaves of absence could show 737 but that's just where they left off two or more years ago....